Titegroup Sanity Check Request 9MM and 44 Mag

[TenDriver]

I loaded up a few test rounds with Xtreme plated. Request a couple if you check these loads and make sure I haven't gone stupid. My manuals are Modern Reloading and Lyman 49th. Both lead me to believe the loads are safe.

9MM: 124 gr, CCI sm pistol, 4.0 gr Titegroup. COAL: 1.128 ( that's my heartburn area)

44 Mag: 240 gr, Tula LG pistol, 8.5 gr Titegroup. Seated to the cannelure, 1.580. The only question is the powder choice since I haven't used it before.

 

[sexybeast]

Your 9 load seems fine but a little warm. I load 125gr lead with 3.5gr of titegroup and its a tackdriver. You should be fine with plated though.
I've never done 44mag with titegroup, but I use to use 8gr of Unique behind a 240gr lead semi wadcutter so I think your big bore loads are too much. I would not load them that hot.
I'm sure others will join in.

 

[LiveLife]

9MM: 124 gr, CCI sm pistol, 4.0 gr Titegroup. COAL: 1.128 (that's my heartburn area)

Maybe this will ease your heart burn. Hodgdon lists Berry's plated HBRN-TP bullet (BERB) with longer bullet base than regular 124 gr RN plated bullet at 4.1 gr max using slightly longer 1.150". I tested the 124 gr HBRN-TP bullet at 3.8 gr and 4.0 gr using 1.135" and did not experience pressure issues - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869

If you have any concerns, how about loading 10 rounds of 3.8, 3.9 and 4.0 gr at 1.128"?

125 GR. Lead CN Titegroup 1.125" Start 3.6 gr (1002 fps) 22,900 CUP - Max 4.0 gr (1096 fps) 30,400 CUP

124 GR. BERB HBRN-TP Titegroup 1.150" Start 3.6 gr (957 fps) 27,700 PSI - Max 4.1 gr (1057 fps) 32,700 PSI

125 GR. Sierra FMJ Titegroup 1.090" Start 4.1 gr (1069 fps) 27,300 CUP - Max 4.4 gr (1136 fps) 30,600 CUP

 

[TenDriver]

Maybe this will ease your heart burn. Hodgdon lists Berry's plated HBRN-TP bullet (BERB) with longer bullet base than regular 124 gr RN plated bullet at 4.1 gr max using slightly longer 1.150". I tested the 124 gr HBRN-TP bullet at 3.8 gr and 4.0 gr using 1.135" and did not experience pressure issues - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869

If you have any concerns, how about loading 10 rounds of 3.8, 3.9 and 4.0 gr at 1.128"?

I'm thinking that's what I'll do. The reason for not going to the starting load first was because my brother in law's SR-9 seems to have a stiff spring in it. I haven't been able to load a lead bullet hot enough to cycle it that still checks out in my Lyman's manual, hence the plated bullets and hotter charge. We were using 700-X with those cast bullets, so back down to the starting load is appropriate here since we're dealing with a different powder. Oops on my part.

1.128 is the deepest, I think the others were 1.130. I'm not sure how much difference in pressure that will make.

Beast, I found a max load of 10.0 gr for the 44, but I haven't seen much positive on using Titegroup in the 44. I'll probably shoot the 4 I loaded but will keep on the IMR-4227 train for the rest. I was just looking for something different, and 8.8 grs of TG is less on the wallet than 20+? of 4227 per load. In the grand scheme of things, it's still pennies though...

 

[LiveLife]

TenDriver, if you don't have the SR-9 handy to do a barrel drop/function check tests, consider using OAL/COL of 1.130".

I load for multiple pistols and with most 124/125 gr RN bullet profiles (jacketed and plated bullets), 1.135" feeds and chambers in all the pistols I have shot.

You could also load 10 rounds at 4.0 gr and 1.130" and 10 more at 1.135" and see which OAL/COL produces greater accuracy.

 

[TenDriver]

Will do. Thanks.

 

[TenDriver]

Saw on another thread the minimum OAL length for 124 gr RN bullets is 1.135. If anyone can't refute that, I'm pulling those loads tonight.

Nothing has been fired yet and the bullets pull out pretty easy, so I think I might just start over this evening and drop the charge down to 3.7 to start. Hodgdon lists 3.6 as starting with Berry's bullets.

 

[p5200]

Careful using Titegroup, if your using a RCBS Chargemaster or other plastic powder dispenser the Titegroup will stick to and actually start to melt/eat the hopper tube and plastic base. Just thought I'd put that out there! It doesn't take too long to start sticking either.

 

[LiveLife]

I would test a few rounds to see if you experience bullet setback (feed rounds from magazine and release slide without riding). If you do not measure significant reduction in OAL/COL, you should be OK at 4.0 gr and 1.128".

But do what makes you comfortable.

How many rounds are we looking at?

 

[TenDriver]

Only 20. Not much.

 

[TenDriver]

Careful using Titegroup, if your using a RCBS Chargemaster or other plastic powder dispenser the Titegroup will stick to and actually start to melt/eat the hopper tube and plastic base. Just thought I'd put that out there! It doesn't take too long to start sticking either.

That explains the tight throw. It seemed like it took more force to throw a charge than with other powders.

 

[JonB]

I use 4.2gr of Titegroup with 124gr plated RN. 1.155 COL which feeds with no issues in my XD.

 

[TenDriver]

Thank you. Those rounds are in the "pull 'em" pile. The bullets are seated too deep for me to be comfortable and I believe they will are susceptible to setback. Just not going to take the chance.

Hope momma gives me the collet bullet puller I'm asking for come birthday time!

 

[wlkjr]

I shoot the Xtreme 124 plated HP with 3.6 grains Titegroup at 1.115 OAL and shoot them in all my Glocks, no problems. I've also loaded the same at 1.130, 1.140, and 1.150 and they feed fine. My barrel will take about 1.169 with the plunk test but choose to go at 1.115 to 1.120. Accuracy is good.

 

[wlkjr]

This is a pic of 5 shot groups at 12 yards using a rest.

 

[TenDriver]

Looks good!

 

[Cycletroll]

I have shot thousands of Berry's 124gr plated RN loaded at 1.125" with 4.1gr Titegroup. Functions great in Glock 19, 17, 34 and my CZ SP-01 Shadow custom.
I found running Titegroup at the top of the load range reduces unburnt powder and tightens up SD and ES.
BTW, that load does 1080fps out of the CZ and 1110 out of the G34.

 

[Hondo 60]

9MM: 124 gr, CCI sm pistol, 4.0 gr Titegroup. COAL: 1.128 ( that's my heartburn area)

44 Mag: 240 gr, Tula LG pistol, 8.5 gr Titegroup. Seated to the cannelure, 1.580. The only question is the powder choice since I haven't used it before.

I have used Tite Group for both calibers.
Your 9mm rounds are spot on with mine.
I use 4.0 gr with a 124 gr bullet & seat to 1.125.

Your 44 Mag loads are actually lighter than mine.
Hodgdon recommends 9.0 - 10.0 for jacketed 240 gr loads seated at 1.600.
I use Berry's bullets - they recommend low - mid jacketed data.
I use 9 gr with a 240 gr bullet seated to 1.600

 

[evan price]

I load 9mm LUger with 124-grain plated or cast lead RN, 1.125" OAL, 4.2-4.4 grains Titegroup with whatever primer is in the press. (Usually Wolf/Tula).
4.0 titegroup worked fine, but I had problems in one gun that it needed more power to fully cycle properly.

Your 44 mag load is fine too. I use a Lee tumble lube 240 SWC with 6.0 of titegroup, or I use a hard case 240-SWC with 9.0 of Titegroup. No need for magnum primers.

 

[jak67429]

be very careful when using tigthgroup in 44 mag cases that you don't double or triple charge them. I have seen what happens when you do. glad I wasn't standing closer when it happened. Still parts of that gun in the ceiling of the range.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

I load 9mm LUger with 124-grain plated or cast lead RN, 1.125" OAL, 4.2-4.4 grains Titegroup with whatever primer is in the press.

Evan, I'm with you on this one. I load 124 gr Xtreeme round nose at any where from $.0- 4.5 gr with Titegroup. 4.5gr of Titegroup in my SR-9 makes it torque pretty bad so I dropped my maximum to 4.3-4.4gr.

I shoot 4.2-4.3 out of my Shield and SR-9 for range loads and have been doing it for years. If I drop below 4.1gr none of my 9mm will cycle reliably.

Anything under 4.0 gr of Titegroup won't cycle any of my three 9mms.

 

[TenDriver]

be very careful when using tigthgroup in 44 mag cases that you don't double or triple charge them. I have seen what happens when you do. glad I wasn't standing closer when it happened. Still parts of that gun in the ceiling of the range.

I believe it. It was shocking how little of the case an 8.5 gr charge took up. I decided I'd pull those bullets too and stick to 4227 loads.