TN Governor Against RKBA During Declared Emergencies

[General Geoff]

The issue at hand is academic in practice (yeah I know, oxymoron, sort of).


If for some reason there was a state of emergency declared, no law (even the proposed one) would stop a determined governor from giving the order to confiscate arms from the citizens. They would claim the law is null due to the "state of emergency."

Granted the law would come into play afterwards (as a viable court defense), should any intrepid citizens decide to defend their property against crooked law enforcement. And before you say "they were just doing their jobs," Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

[AndyC]

Or use it as an excuse for a ".40 cal divorce"

JUST KIDDING!

As for state governors in general, it's about time they start to wake up and realise that emergencies are the worst times to try and get firearms away from the law-abiding.

 

[SomeKid]

Well, the votes for this bill are coming up. If you haven't poked your Rep and Sen to support this bill, start poking.

Lets see if our NRA backed NY Dem gov can be beaten.

 

[Kaylee]

The issue at hand is academic in practice (yeah I know, oxymoron, sort of).

Well, for that reason and because the folks at least in this neck of the woods wouldn't stand for it, whether Bredesen says it's legal or no. Even if you could find a sheriff willing to do the collecting (or import one) they wouldn't last past the first holler.

God, I love Dixie.


-K

Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top Lookin' for a moonshine still;
Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top, Reckon they never will

 

[SomeKid]

I dunno Kaylee, bear in mind the TN Sheriff's Association has been sending people to Nashville every year to fight against our rights. Were they told to, I could see a *lot* of Sheriffs sending out their deputies to confiscate guns.

 

[Kaylee]

Enh, could be I reckon - do you have a list somewhere of what particular Sheriffs and which counties were pushing for that?

I just can't see our local deputies doing that... especially once you get up in mountain country.

I definitely don't see them doing it successfully. Again, especially in mountain country. It'd be suicide to try.

 

[bpsig]

rkba

Well it's a power play.
Any time a politician can be reigned in a little they object. They pick and choose what to enforce or follow .
I have worked with some leo's who will willingly go along with some order to b&e confiscate. Others who would absolutely say h___ no !!
Then again we have some leo heads where I live who refused to okay mags for over 10 rds during Clintons era ban.
I am considered a responder now to certain places in Tn. I don't think it will end well for anyone to try to remove my issue gear or personal equipment.
Let alone for any one who goes along with this . Many leo's depend upon reserve and previous mil/leo's as a response in special cases. If you are trying to take away their rights and ability to take care of family how can you ask them to help you ?
Besides ask any one who has seen unchecked criminals . They will be like packs of rabid animals attacking anyone they see as weak.
ASk a Survior of katrina. nopd.

 

[UKTN]

Did anyone get a reply? I didn't. Did the bill pass or fail?

 

[Speer]

It'd be suicide to try.

I would hope so.

 

[Golden Saber]

Tuesday Update

This bill was moved to the Senate calendar for tomorrow, 3/21. The Senate floor session begins at 3 pm.

 

[Kimber1911_06238]

what a moron. when things really go wrong we should take away the ability of law abiding citizens to defend themselves? how rediculous

 

[71Commander]

I'm moving back to the Johnson City area in a few months. Y'all got to stop this foolishness.

 

[rocinante]

Curious the term carpetbagger has been used. This particular governor power to seize weapons I wonder if it is a legacy of the reconstruction era.

 

[Golden Saber]

Norris vs. Bredesen over Self-Defense - Round Three

All:

During yesterday's Senate session, Majority Leader Mark Norris rolled SB1597 to the Calendar for Monday, 3/26. If you haven't yet called or written Governor Bredesen's office, please call him at 615.741.2001 or email him at [email protected]. Urge him to change his position and support SB1597.

While looking at the summary for SB1597, one might glace over at the activity of the companion bill in the House, HB1285. This bill is scheduled to be heard next Wednesday, 3/28, in the Criminal Practice and Procedures sub-committee of the Judiciary Committee. The one other thing I noticed was the increasing number of cosponsors who joined Rep. Chris Crider to support this legislation. There are now twelve cosponsors.

So, next week is going to be a busy week! Now is the time to launch the next wave of communicating with Nashville and ask for more House members to cosponsor HB1285. You can go to this link on the NRA website and lookup your legislator by your zip code, if you need to. From that information, you can call or email. Let's muster up behind Rep. Crider by Wednesday. And, if your Rep.has already cosponsored HB1285, please thank them, from all of us.

The time for your effort continues to be - right now.


David Waldrip
NRA Institute for Legislative Action
Election Volunteer Coordinator
TN 7th Congressional District

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

PPS - GregZ .. yup, that's pretty much the attitude of most everyone between Knoxville and North Carolina, I bet. Molon Labe.

yur dern'd tootin

ST

 

[jcoiii]

I work as an LEO at a campus in eastern TN, and we train with the local Sherrif's dept. While some upper level brass might go along with a gun confiscation, most of the deputies would just kinda laugh and say (with a little more color) "I ain't goin' up to Bubba's house to take his guns! I'd be dead when I got outta my car!"

Not too many up in these parts that would agree with it, much less try to enforce it I sure as heck wouldn't! In fact, I might just bunker up with a few others

 

[dralarms]

While some upper level brass might go along with a gun confiscation, most of the deputies would just kinda laugh and say (with a little more color) "I ain't goin' up to Bubba's house to take his guns! I'd be dead when I got outta my car!"

yea around here the Sheriff is Pro gun. I'd hate to fire on a friend but if you come to take my guns you won't be a friend any longer.

 

[Golden Saber]

Tennessee “Emergency Powers” Legislation on the Move!

From a 3/23 ILA Alert:

Tennessee “Emergency Powers” Legislation on the Move!

Please Contact Your State Senator and House Subcommittee Members Today!

Senate Bill 1597, sponsored by Senator Mark Norris (R-32) and its companion bill, House Bill 1285, sponsored by Representative Chris Crider (R-79) are making their way though the Senate and the House of Representatives.

A vote has been scheduled for SB 1597 for Monday, March 26 at 5:00 PM. SB 1597 would protect our Second Amendment rights during a state of emergency by prohibiting any government agency from regulating the lawful sale, possession, transfer, transport and carry of firearms.

Please contact your State Senator today at 1-800-449-8366 and urge him or her to protect our Second Amendments rights and vote “YES” on SB 1597.

If you need help identifying your State Senator, please click here.

The House Judiciary Criminal Practice Subcommittee has scheduled a hearing for its companion bill, HB 1285, for Wednesday, March 28 at 12:00 PM.

Below is a list of the members of the House Judiciary Criminal Practice Subcommittee and their contact information:

Senator Janis Sontany (D-53), Chair: (615) 741-6861; [email protected]

Senator Eddie Bass (D-65), (615) 741-1864; [email protected]

Senator Rob Briley (D-52), (615) 741-2184; [email protected]

Senator Henry Fincher (D-42), (615) 741-1875; [email protected]

Senator Judd Matheny (R-47), (615) 741-7448; [email protected]

Senator Eric Watson (R-22), (615) 741-7799; [email protected]

Please continue to check www.NRAILA.org for updates on other Tennessee Second Amendment issues!

 

[makarova]

Legal question

I know that the NRA went before a judge(Federal I Think) and got a court order to stop the confiscations in New Orleans. What I haven't heard is on what grounds they got the injunction? Based on their efforts to torpedo the D.C. gunban lawsuit, I doubt they used the Second Amendment. So what did they use?

 

[Kentucky]

My email to all the House Representatives.

I am writing to express my strong desire to see your support for HB 1285. This measure would put into place a bill that would help protect Tennesseans from being victimized during a state of emergency. Hurricane Katrina showed us how important it is for citizens to be able to protect themselves and their families during times of emergency.I am asking you to fully support this bill and use your influence to help preserve and protect our rights and liberties in this state. I am also forwarding copies of this email to everyone that I work with other friends and family. I know that the great majority of them are also in support of HB 1285 and consider this to be a very important matter when choosing our representatives.

I got a quick reply from Judd Matheny

I will support this bill and will NEVER vote to erode our right to defend ourselves.

Judd Matheny

 

[Golden Saber]

SB1597 was rolled today to the calendar for Wednesday, 3/28.

Plus, regarding the companion bill in the House, another cosponsor was added, bringing the total to thirteen.

 

[thexrayboy]

What the governors officed said officially......

"This administration opposes any effort that erodes the power of this or any future governor to appropriately respond to protect the safety and security of Tennesseans during a natural disaster, terrorist act or any other emergency."

What the governor actually means.....

"This administration opposes any effort that erodes the power of this or any future governor."

 

[Golden Saber]

Progress

Bredesen cedes power to take guns in disasters

By JESSICA FENDER
Staff Writer

Published: Tuesday, 03/27/07

State laws allowing governors to confiscate firearms during disasters are crumbling like clay pigeons at a firing range — and Tennessee may be next to shoot its law down.

Gov. Phil Bredesen, who was at one time leery of giving up that power, signaled his support Monday for a plan to prevent Tennessee officials from suspending the sale or transport of guns during a Hurricane Katrina-like emergency.

Terry Holmes, who teaches a state gun-permitting class, says disasters that stretch law enforcement thin are precisely the time when law-abiding citizens need their weapons.

"Handgun permits make us an asset the state can draw on in time of emergency," he said.

Reports that New Orleans police took guns from permitted carriers after Katrina drew the ire of gun-owner groups. Several states took aim in 2006 at laws that allow confiscation during emergencies. Louisiana changed its law, and Georgia is considering a similar bill.

In Tennessee, Republican Sen. Mark Norris' proposal heads to the Senate floor on Wednesday.

Bredesen said he had questioned some language in the bill, but that it sounds "reasonable."

"I had a concern about chipping away the powers of a governor during an emergency," Bredesen said. "If you have an emergency, you want to make sure governors have got enough tools in their hands."

Published: Tuesday, 03/27/07
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/NEWS0201/703270352

 

[NickEllis]

Thats great news, now we just need the vote!

 

[biere]

Good job so far folks, I knew I needed to check in here more often but time is limited.

I have talked a fair amount with one police officer over in nashville, he has his ffl and still works as a police officer as well. He is a regular guy but it is just sad to hear what he has to say about some of the higher ups and especially the elected folks.

All I can say about the folks I have met since coming down here a bit over a year ago is that I know what side of the fence I am on and I feel sorry for those who think the grass on the other side is greener.