Today on FX- 44 Minutes!!!!!!

[buzz_knox]

I must have missed that. I caught the tail end in time to see the cop complaining about civilians owning "assault weapons" and blew off the encore presentation.

 

[UnknownSailor]

Yes, both of the BGs used full-auto AKs at first, but one had a 9mm round bounce off the reciever and render it inoperable, IIRC; the BG in question switched to the H&K.

 

[ModIMark0]

A few things that were omitted from the movie:

B & B Guns also supplied the LAPD with Remington 1187
Police model shotguns (18" barrels and +2 mag extesions)
with slugs.

One of the LAPD officers liked the ARs/Bushmaster he
used that he wanted to buy it from B&B (don't know if he
did, but that would make a nice line).

All the ARs/Bushmasters in the movie are pre-94 (they
have collapsible stocks, flash suppressors and bayonet
lugs) when the ones in reality were post 94s.

B&B guns donated the firearms used to SOF to be
auctioned off for a fund to help injured LAPD officers
(they raised something in the neighborhood of $6000)

I also noted that the police did not have "assault rifles", only the criminals (as it was mentioned throughout the movie). And, as a result of the robbery/shootout, the LAPD (as well as other qualifying departments in the U.S.) have received M16 "machine guns" from the DoD, and not "assault rifles" to help them combat upgunned criminals.
I do have one question to fellow viewers: Was there also some sort of commentary by one of the officers or detectives involved that "the type of guns that they (the robbers) had could be owned by someone you know, in the car next to you, and maybe even by your next-door neighbor"? I was not certain if I heard a statement like that, but it certainly is unfriendly to gunowners.
Another thought: The slow motion shots of the robbers firing full-auto can be handily mistaken as rapid semiautomatic fire by the unknowing. It may be an appealing technique of cinematography, but also untruthful.

 

[teppo-shu]

Movie was a total POS.

You would've thought one little 7.62 round could take out a tank after seeing the size of the holes it was punching through car hoods, engine blocks, that little key-making shop, etc...

"Magic" bullets for "Hollywood magic"?

 

[M1911]

They changing the story, so that the SWAT team is what brought the ARs......

Nope, they didn't change the story in this respect, you are mistaken. Yes, LAPD officers did go to a gun store to get AR15s. But those officers did not end it, it was ended by SWAT officers using their issued guns (not guns borrowed from a gun store).

 

[makdaddy03]

Did the real gun shop have the very large GUNS sign over the front entrance?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

After blasting several hundred rounds at full auto you would think that the AK47 barrels would have been trashed and melted!

Not really. Full auto weapons like the AK, M16, MP5, etc. are air cooled and designed that the time it takes to change magazines is sufficeint to keep the barrel from being damaged. It would take a belt fed conversion on one of them to get the barrel to melt.

 

[5ptdeerhunter]

Hey I didn't see the entire movie but I don't think I will try to catch the end of it.

Ok I have a few questions. Do banks have bullet resistent glass for the windows facing the street? I mean the LEO's where all shooting right at the front of the bank and I don't see how they knew where the people inside where.

 

[Braz]

B&B is gone now,

California is squashing shop owners left and right. The shop used in the film is Rettings, a few blocks from me. They sell a lot of LEOs their gear. I'm ashamed of them to let this crap be filmed there. Especially the awful line of "I can't believe they let anyone buy these!" Has it not occured to the producers that without that right, those guns wouldn't have been available for the GOOD guys? Somehow hundreds of thousands of Kalifornians manage to avoid robbing folks with them, or even convert them to illegal full-auto fire.

It's not the gun, knife or explosive that kills folks. It's the madman who decides life is cheap enough to use them.

 

[.45TCB]

My favorite Hollywood ""oops" in the movie is before the shooting even started - When Mario Van Peebles character is talking to the latino kid in the squad car. He gets out of the front seat, climbs in the back with the kid, and SHUTS THE DOOR! Now, I'm not a LEO, but I do know that on pretty much every patrol car, the rear doors can't be opened from the inside.

I was hoping his partner would have to let him out.

 

[Peetmoss]

The movie was pure CRAP. I was expecting to see directed by Micheal Moore at the end. He must have been at least a technical advisor or something. That movie just BLEW And the I can't believe they let people by these things comment about a bolt action rifle GIVE ME A BREAK. On a positive note about that comment maybe hunters will get the picture(There coming for yours too)
CAR-15 and something about the miltary using them. I never new the military was in the practice of issuing semi-auto only versions of there full auto and burst rifles

 

[Combat-wombat]

they fired, what, like 10,000 rounds without reloading?

 

[DVDTracker]

Full auto weapons like the AK, M16, MP5, etc. are air cooled and designed that the time it takes to change magazines is sufficeint to keep the barrel from being damaged.

Check this out... www.a-10.org/video/kill_the_ak.avi

www.divx.com/divx if the video doesn't work.

 

[Monkeyleg]

OK, we've pretty much covered the gun stuff in this topic.

So, my favorite non-gun scene was when the detective went to the party house next door and cut the incoming power line with bolt cutters.

There should have been a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen that read, "professional idiot on a controlled course; do not try this at home."

 

[M1911]

He gets out of the front seat, climbs in the back with the kid, and SHUTS THE DOOR! Now, I'm not a LEO, but I do know that on pretty much every patrol car, the rear doors can't be opened from the inside.

I noticed that too

 

[buzz_knox]

Full auto weapons like the AK, M16, MP5, etc. are air cooled and designed that the time it takes to change magazines is sufficeint to keep the barrel from being damaged. It would take a belt fed conversion on one of them to get the barrel to melt.

Uh, not really. The BAR was known for burning out its barrels during fire fights, and the M4 isn't suitable for continuous auto fire as the barrel can get slagged by doing so.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

and the M4 isn't suitable for continuous auto fire as the barrel can get slagged by doing so.

Guess the one I have is a fluke. I've unloaded magazines as fast as I can change them on full auto and experienced no barrel damage.

And there is a big difference between shooting .30-06 in a BAR and 7.62x39 or .223 in a select fire assault rifle or a 9mm submachinegun.

 

[buzz_knox]

I guess you got a good one. The military units deploying the M4 were the ones who indicated the problem with continuous auto fire.

On further reflection (and to forestall further thread steer) I will defer to actual experience versus reported experience. But I would also maintain that the original premise that mag changes are designed to take a while so as to promote cooling isn't valid. Weapons designers know that they can't control how fast an operator can swap mags and thus wouldn't be able to factor in the cooling effect. How much cooling effect do you get in one or two seconds anyway? Besides, how long do you think they would be in business if someone found out they intentionally made a weapon take a while to reload and someone died as a result? Only when there is a sufficiently prevailing interest and no belief that rapid mag changes are necessary does the design come into play, such as the European pistol mag release that was motivated by a desire to hang onto mags.

 

[AmericanFreeBird]

The LAPD badly mishandled the whole situation, were poorly equiped and poorly trained for the problem at hand. Just as the FBI mishandled the Florida mini-14 shootout (by the way, mini-14's are still legal to buy and own) so to the LAPD came to a long gun fight with nothing but 9mm pistols.

They should have had at least 12ga shotguns with slugs and/or an AR-15 .223 as backup with each cruiser. Either one of them would have killed or incapacitated their AK-47 wielding problem children.

Never, ever go to a long gun fight with only a pistol, unless your pistol is that new S&W 500 Magnum!

I hope someone makes a TV mini series about the LA Rodney King riots where AK-47 weilding shop owners kept their property safe from marauding hordes of criminals.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

BZ, okay, I agree that the cooling during mag changes is a characteristic that benefits full autos and not a design criteria. It just worked out that way on many, but not all guns.

 

[Bigjake]

someone tell me why the police didn't kneecap the guy sooner. Why was it that none of the leg shots counted for anything till the very end? cause you notice, the guy took a foot hit, then multiple calf and knee hits. you'd think the cops would've tried that sooner.

 

[50 Freak]

Did anyone notice that the BGs were taking shots in the arms and shoulders like multipile times. I may be wrong but doesn't body armor cover the body and a small portion of the shoulders. From the looks of the movies, the BGs were fully clothed in the keval.

Also, I've emptied many a drums on the AK till the point the barrel was smoking. And there was no barrel damage.

 

[Kevlarman]

The BGs were wearing Kevlar vests wrapped around their legs, which would've stopped pistol and shotgun rounds. It was not until the very end where the police were able to send some rifle rounds into them.