Tokarev - how they carried

[mashaffer]

I have found some very interesting information about the TT-30/33 pistols here. Facinating pieces they are.

I understand that the only saftey device they had was a very deep 1/2 cock notch.

So did the Red Army carry these with a loaded chamber in 1/2 cock? I also beleive that the firing pin had no blocking device (just held back by the spring). So it sounds like they may have been fairly safe carrying it that way UNLESS (big unless) the gun were dropped. Thoughts?

I think that I would be uncomfortable carrying concealed in any mode except condition 3 but in a service or other open carry holster they might not have been taking that great a risk.

Does anyone have an official Soviet manual for the Tok? What does it say about how to carry or what to do when you have fired a partial magazine?

 

[BevrFevr]

do a search on TFL

I never had the manual with my Russian Tok but one fella I knew told me that the original manual did say the manual of arms went like this...

Ready
Aim at the deserter
Fire!

I guess dispatching deserters was a major use for this pistol. I don't know if I would trust the crafstmanship on the one I had enough to carry one in the pipe with the hammer at half cock.

Sorry, I can't be more help and I sold mine long ago. Nice guns but a little on the primitive side for me. Slim profile really felt good in the hand and was easy to carry for such a powerful round.

Have Fun. -bevr

 

[Handy]

I think that the half cock was used. This is normally such a bad idea that I am curious to look at the sear/half cock engagement to see how sturdy it is.

As you may know, the danger is dropping the gun on the hammer, as most sears will immediately fail and the hammer will have a decent travel distance into the firing pin. Part of that concern on the Tok is at least partially mediated by the way the hammer is protected by the slide.

In terms of the firing pin, it does not have a spring, nor is it inertial. If it were, it would be safe to carry hammer down. The Tok firing pin is full length and floating, like an AR15, so the hammer rests through the pin directly on the primer.

Despite the many safety upgrades the 1911 has over the Tok, the standard for military carry was always Cond. 3. Same thing in Israel with the Hi-Power. So the Tok is essentially the perfect simple gun for Cond. 3 military carry.

 

[Gerald McDonald]

What Handy said.
Gerald