im thinking of getting a tokarev as a practice pistol to save on 9mm..costs or i need to start reloading soon... or a least when ever i can get the tools and components .... i shoot around 500 to 1000 rounds of 9mm a month (i shoot at my dads house).... ive got a .22lr pistol that sees a lot of use but i dont feel like im getting great practice as far as recoil control goes... im planning on doing some defensive shooting matches and would be shooting my xdm 9mm...so im on a rope ...still nervous about reloading ... and have never shot a tokarev to know if it be similar to my 9mm guns i own and carry(all xd's)...
tokarev tt as a practice gun
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rcmodel
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Whatever you would gain in recoil control practice would be off-set about double by shooting a weird gun with a totally different grip angle, action, trigger, and with very poor sights.
Save the cost of the TOK and spend it on reloading equipment for the 9mm XD.
You want to
Practice with what you shoot!
rc
Save the cost of the TOK and spend it on reloading equipment for the 9mm XD.
You want to
Practice with what you shoot!
rc
Anonymous Coward
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They're kind of cool, but I agree with rcmodel.
Had one, pitched it. It was neither accurate nor reliable.
Had one, pitched it. It was neither accurate nor reliable.
amd6547
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I disagree. Looking at a summer of mainly shooting rimfires, I bought a Romanian Tok and a 1224rd spam can of 7.62x25.
I have put about 100rds through it so far, and it has been 100% reliable, and very accurate...even out to 75yds.
It is a battle proven Browning derived design. Makes a great woods pistol, as it is flat and compact.
I have put about 100rds through it so far, and it has been 100% reliable, and very accurate...even out to 75yds.
It is a battle proven Browning derived design. Makes a great woods pistol, as it is flat and compact.
another ? wounld say the prices on 9mm come back down to realty and i dont have to stop at my local walmart every day to get a crack at the next shipment... would it still be cost effective to reload 9mm...i know i could reload others but i dont shoot many other pistol calibers ... and not much rifle bacause of the need to go to a range...well i did put about 3000 rounds though my ar this year....
c919
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i just bought a TOK for the same reasons as you are considering. iv always wanted one and now i just had the reason to get one. ammo is just so freakin cheap. id go for it. well i guess i did go for it.
and no offense to anyone who didnt like theirs but i have 2 friends that own TOK's and now myself, and out of all three iv never seen one misfire out of about 600-700 rounds collectively. and they have all been as accurate as the shooter IME.
and no offense to anyone who didnt like theirs but i have 2 friends that own TOK's and now myself, and out of all three iv never seen one misfire out of about 600-700 rounds collectively. and they have all been as accurate as the shooter IME.
wnycollector
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I have put ~3000 rounds through my Polish Wz-48 Tok. I think its an excellent choice for an inexpensive practice centerfire pistol. I also find it to be VERY accurate.
chris in va
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So wait. You're going to spend at least $250 for a gun and about 40% less on ammo to save...on ammo? You won't see any real savings for a long time.
It's like the greenies that want to spend $25k on a hybrid to save money on gas.
Now if you just want to get a Tokarev to plink with, by all means do so. Just don't think you'll be saving any money.
It's like the greenies that want to spend $25k on a hybrid to save money on gas.
Now if you just want to get a Tokarev to plink with, by all means do so. Just don't think you'll be saving any money.
amd6547
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In my case, I sold a 9mm for more than I paid for it, and got a tok for
$200. I came out ahead on the deal.
$200. I came out ahead on the deal.
40% less on ammo i can actually buy though lol...
and at 1000 rounds a month it doesnt take long to absorb the cost of a tok.
my main concern is the dangers of reloading and blowing up a pistol aint cheap either especially if it removes your hand
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i wounldnt even worry about it if i could still buy cases for 150 or so...
and at 1000 rounds a month it doesnt take long to absorb the cost of a tok.
my main concern is the dangers of reloading and blowing up a pistol aint cheap either especially if it removes your hand
... i wounldnt even worry about it if i could still buy cases for 150 or so...
My commercial Chicom 54 -1 tokarev has had 1600 rds plus of ROmanian corrosive through it. All have been bang bang and reliable. but i had to changed the firing pin spring one time as it was corroded from not cleaninng the pistol for days (my fault).
THe tokarev ammo is very hot and great for plinking for cheap.
THe tokarev ammo is very hot and great for plinking for cheap.
rcmodel
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It seems you have a misconception about reloading.
When done with half a brain cell in working order, it is not dangerous, and will not blow up your gun, or yourself.
I started reloading for everything I shoot in 1962.
That includes handgun, rifle, and shotgun in a bewildering number of calibers.
Now 47 years latter, I still have both hands & eyes, all my fingers, and some of the same guns I started out reloading for.
I can truthfully say that I have never had a mis-fire, squib load, or any other malfunction with reloads.
Let alone blowing up a gun or myself.
rc
theotherwaldo
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I don't see the problem. I've got Tok mods in both 7.62 and 9mm. And I reload 9mm, quite fearlessly.
Admittedly, one of my Toks (a Norinco 213 9mm) is down and waiting for repair, but that is the result of a long term problem that is probably the reason that I found this gun the way I did - on the bottom of the Black Warrior River with six in the mag and one in the chamber, hammer back... .
Admittedly, one of my Toks (a Norinco 213 9mm) is down and waiting for repair, but that is the result of a long term problem that is probably the reason that I found this gun the way I did - on the bottom of the Black Warrior River with six in the mag and one in the chamber, hammer back... .
Joe Demko
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It's worth having a TT-33 just to have and shoot a TT-33. My Romanian example is both reliable and accurate. I almost always agree with rc model and hold him in higher esteem than most anybody at this board, but I do not consider the TT-33 to be a "weird" pistol at all.
Shadow 7D
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I like the tokarev for what it is, a nice hand cannon, ergos are a little strange to me, but impressive none the less
The TT33 is a very reliable gun. Better then that, if you are in the slightest mechanically inclined, it is superbly easy to work on. I have bought two. One worked flawlesly out of the box with a descent trigger. I also founds the sights more then acceptable. Malfunction wise, it has yett to hiccup in close to an entire spam can's worth of boolits.
The second I bought had a nasty trigger reset malfunction. Problem was corrected by replacing the sear, as the old one was out of spec and too long. Considering the entire lock-work assembly is only 3 parts, its fairly easy to figure out what is and isn't right. Additionally new-in-cosmoline parts can still be had for the ToK.
Accuracy wise: don't expect match accuracy, but it can be as accurate as 99% of shooter can be.
The second I bought had a nasty trigger reset malfunction. Problem was corrected by replacing the sear, as the old one was out of spec and too long. Considering the entire lock-work assembly is only 3 parts, its fairly easy to figure out what is and isn't right. Additionally new-in-cosmoline parts can still be had for the ToK.
Accuracy wise: don't expect match accuracy, but it can be as accurate as 99% of shooter can be.
wally
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I disagree too. Practice is good, any practice. The Tok shoots very much like a 1911 and generally has a pretty good trigger. Sights could be better, but they aren't that bad. Muzzle blast is large so it'll help you work on any flinch.
See this, I turned my Tok front sight into a fiber optic insert:
http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=413372
--wally.
See this, I turned my Tok front sight into a fiber optic insert:
http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=413372
--wally.
MCgunner
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Other toks might vary, but the Norinco I had, in the roughly translated manual, said the "launcher" (that's what they referred to the gun as, LOL) had a life expectancy of 2500 rounds. About 600 rounds or so into it I was noticing significant damage, flattening of the metal, where slide meets frame. I sold it at a gun show, broke even on it. It was a 9x19 commercial gun, too. I'd expect Russian guns in 7.62x25 to have significantly stronger metals.
Anyway, with a Norinco like I had, I doubt you'd get much practice before it wore out. I practice with my carries, myself. Malign the Kel Tecs all you want, but in nearly 14 years, I've put in excess of 11,000 light handloads though my P11 no problems. It's still strong and accurate. I load with a cast 105 SWC that is accurate and reliable, sized to .357 and loaded over just enough Bullseye to cycle reliably. The load is not hard on the gun. I can load these quickly on my Dillon. The lead is free, I pick up more brass at the range than I leave with usually, so all I'm paying for is a primer and a little dab of Bullseye. I doubt I'll EVER have to worry about my Ruger P guns wearing at all.
Anyway, with a Norinco like I had, I doubt you'd get much practice before it wore out. I practice with my carries, myself. Malign the Kel Tecs all you want, but in nearly 14 years, I've put in excess of 11,000 light handloads though my P11 no problems. It's still strong and accurate. I load with a cast 105 SWC that is accurate and reliable, sized to .357 and loaded over just enough Bullseye to cycle reliably. The load is not hard on the gun. I can load these quickly on my Dillon. The lead is free, I pick up more brass at the range than I leave with usually, so all I'm paying for is a primer and a little dab of Bullseye. I doubt I'll EVER have to worry about my Ruger P guns wearing at all.
I am with the crowd that says it is not very rational to spend money to save money... simply because of all the rounds that must be sent down range in order to reach the point of savings... for cheap practice with a gun, I am all for it... I got a Tok tt-33 as a substitute for the 357 sig and just for the fun of it.
My TT is a Zastava bought in the late 80's I put 10,000 rounds through it. then loaned it to a freind till he got a decent gun, many thousands more through it. Still going strong, the only missfires were from a bad lot of primers, though to be fair to the primers they were quite old. My gun is in 9mm so I don't know about how it compares to 7.62X25, but practice is good no matter what gun. I use air guns daily and think the practice helps my marksmanship.
BCRider
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There's a big heap of logic behind the idea that you'll get the most out of shooting with the gun you'll be competing with. But I hear ya on the cost of ammo.
One way out of this would be to find one of the lighter .22's. The lighter gun recoils more. I know that I got a poly framed .22 that is a very close match grip wise to my CZ for just this reason. The 29 oz weight of it allows the .22's to kick and lift the muzzle almost as much as the 9mm's lift the Shadow's nose. Unfortunetly for you folks in the US you can't get the Tanfoglio Force 22 which I've got but there are other lighter gun options. Of course this concept of a light .22 to encourage the muzzle lift kicks the old standby Ruger and Buckmark out of the running since both of these are very much heavier guns. Great in their own way but not what you want for practice that more closely matches the behaviour of a center fire gun.
One way out of this would be to find one of the lighter .22's. The lighter gun recoils more. I know that I got a poly framed .22 that is a very close match grip wise to my CZ for just this reason. The 29 oz weight of it allows the .22's to kick and lift the muzzle almost as much as the 9mm's lift the Shadow's nose. Unfortunetly for you folks in the US you can't get the Tanfoglio Force 22 which I've got but there are other lighter gun options. Of course this concept of a light .22 to encourage the muzzle lift kicks the old standby Ruger and Buckmark out of the running since both of these are very much heavier guns. Great in their own way but not what you want for practice that more closely matches the behaviour of a center fire gun.
wally
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Lets see, cheapest 9mm I've seen recently is $200/1000 Can still get 7.62x25 for $130/1200. Less than 3000 rounds to pay for the pistol. That is not a lot of shooting for me. YMMV.
Will cost more to get into reloading than to buy a Tok, although learning to reload is a better long term investment, it takes time I often don't have, so I'm happy to have the cheap corrosive (not a big deal in a Tok) surplus ammo option.
--wally.
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