Arkansas Paul
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There is no drama now. That part is gone.
Do you get mad when football announcers call "TOUCHDOWN"? After all, you just saw it.
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There is no drama now. That part is gone.
Do you get mad when football announcers call "TOUCHDOWN"? After all, you just saw it.
rduchateau2954
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You guys gotta DVR it or stream it online. Being able to fast forward is very nice.
SharpsDressedMan
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Why would anyone want to see "all stars" when we could see some new guys?
bassdogs
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Am over this show after the Atal whatever. Ok I understand the primitive weapons thing, but the show is top shot, not top weapons guy. The producers just don't seem to be able to stick to shooting. Rifle, bow, pistol, even the deadly sling shot; but something you shoot. All this crazy stuff doesn't make someone a top shot.
Gone on this show.
Gone on this show.
fallout mike
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Paul, I also hate the replays of big plays in sports. I mean, we just saw the 85 yard touchdown run where the runner broke 6 tackles, reversed field 3 times, ran over a guy at the 25 yard line and leaped over 2 defenders at the goal line. Who wants to see it again?
dbro822
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As many of you are trash talking, it means you are watching. Yes the real tv drama is dumb, but come on, it is fun to watch the fun stuff they are doing. Love it that the pro for the mile shot was Adam, and that Jamie did it that fast and in one shot! I think it is safe to say we would all love the chance to shoot the things they are getting to, money or not how much fun would it be.
It was apparent that the POI on that mile shot was changing as the barrel heated up. The sight picture they showed between some of the first shots and some of the last were completely different. It's not surprising that the experienced long range shooter came in second. He shot last. The person who came in first, also shot first.
It looked like the POI wandered about 4-5 feet to the right as the barrel heated up.
It looked like the POI wandered about 4-5 feet to the right as the barrel heated up.
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Don't put too much stock into those scope camera/target images shown throughout, or reach conclusions based on them. They mean nothing. You don't really know when they were taken in the day, or what shooter was up at the time. You don't even know if those images come from the 1000yd practice or the Mile long competition. Sometimes they are taken before we even get to the set, done by the black shirt guys test firing the setup. Those video shots are cool fill-in stuff but are often out of sequence... or from different days altogether. The "magic" of TV ~!!
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My clan has loved the show since Season 1. Some of the shots these folks make are downright impressive, and after hearing some of Adam's behind-the-scenes accounts in terms of practice, the shots are even more amazing to me now. To be a competitor on that show has to be the experience of a lifetime.
fallout mike
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Since Adam is on here talking with us I'm now rooting for him.
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I have greatly enjoyed the all star season thus far. I enjoy atlatls, but I woild also be frustrated by them showing up in what is otherwise a shooting competition.
On the Mile Shot episode, I am very curious what time of day Jamie shot, and what time Kelly shot. Shooting a rifle that was sitting in the sun for hours, with winds changing constantly, after standing around for an unknown amount of time waiting for your turn, without a spotter, at a full mile distance... Jamie's shot was impressive, no doubt, but every one of the other competitors hit it too in those kinds of conditions (holy cow, great shooting
), and I might argue that Kelly had an almost as impressive performance as Jamie, given the handicap.
I think I will send an email to History and let them know how much I enjoy the show.
Btw, thanks to Adam for coming around and explaining some behind-the-scenes. I love reading about thay stuff.
On the Mile Shot episode, I am very curious what time of day Jamie shot, and what time Kelly shot. Shooting a rifle that was sitting in the sun for hours, with winds changing constantly, after standing around for an unknown amount of time waiting for your turn, without a spotter, at a full mile distance... Jamie's shot was impressive, no doubt, but every one of the other competitors hit it too in those kinds of conditions (holy cow, great shooting
), and I might argue that Kelly had an almost as impressive performance as Jamie, given the handicap.I think I will send an email to History and let them know how much I enjoy the show.
Btw, thanks to Adam for coming around and explaining some behind-the-scenes. I love reading about thay stuff.
Hanzo581
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I'll be honest, the ancient weapon segments do bore me. But if you are truly a natural marksman, you should be able to use any projectile based weapon at your disposal, so I appreciate it when they integrate those weapon systems.
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There was no spotter? Who said that... !?!?!
A couple of times the competitors remarked that they couldn't see where their shot struck. Certainly sounded like they had no spotter and there was no indication to the viewing audience that there was.
Blackstone
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Seems the UK history channel is a bit behind in showing this series of Top Shot
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OK - let me clarify this whole confusion over spotters, and who really was the most impressive in the long shot competition. LOTS of misinformation out there, lots of ways to look at the pro/con aspect of every possibility. But for those who really like the show, this very honest behind the scenes stuff is important.
The person spotting was a guy named Trent that the network placed behind us, standing with a tall tripod (and what looked like maybe a compact Leupold spotting scope). There was a LOT of controversy with this, because the top long range guys were not sure how much they could trust this unknown spotter guy. A lot is riding on this, and do you want to rely on a stranger spotting for what could be the most important shot you ever take? Some guys wanted Pete or Kelly to spot for all of us, but the network could not do that without risking some element of fairness. And during all this frank talk about the spotter's credentials, he overheard and got directly involved... and it was all very uncomfortable. ME? I don't have any kind of long range credentials to say anything to anyone, so I just shut my mouth and listened (rare for me!)
There were times we (the shooters) didn't see our hits and we would then yell out for a spot, and if the spotter saw a hit he would then give his 'mil' call. There are times neither saw a hit. Its a friggin' MILE !!
I know for ME, I asked for a call on each shot and the spotter Trent gave me back what he thought he saw. I adjusted to the calls, and made the hit. And I still could not have been happier to hit in just 3 shots!!! I probably jumped up and down afterwards like a retarded chimp (not shown) and then ran over to thank the spotter with serious genuine gratitude. For all the ugly doubt and hurt feelings, I had to thank him big time for excellent spots. And he congratulated me for making great corrections. And the producers got a kick out of the whole thing because it was the happiest they ever saw me. Ha!!!!
As for the shooting order, we draw random shooting order and sometimes it might be better to go first, but most times not. You should listen to a podcast called "Top Shot Talk" (with Jim and Craig?). Jamie was on after this episode and gave some great insight. First, in this case it was probably best to go first because the temp/wind are closest to when the rifle was initially zero'ed. But still, conditions have changed over several hours before first shot, and Jamie still had to mentally figure his hold over (maybe 6ft off?) to make the shot.
Jamie on the podcast explained that the target did not really explode on the first shot. So he kept shooting, and it eventually blew up on 5th shot. And when the crew went down to change the exploding target, they actually found THREE bullet holes in the bullseye. Jamie hit 3 out of 5 !!! Sometimes the targets don't explode reliably and the production team has to rewind film with digital time code to determine actual record time for score. Lawyers go over every detail. It happened to at least one other person on the MILE shot, too. Truth be told, Jamie was glad he didn't see it blow on the first shot because it kept him from acting like an ass with celebratory foolishness. Ha!!!!!!!
As for the pro/com in shooting order, I think the winds and temps were better in the morning. Luck of the draw. We also had a lunch break in the middle of the event. And I would bet that afternoon shooters were sniffing around for hold-over tips from the morning crew. Or trying to find George at the rest room line? Never know.
The point is really that every shooting order is by random drawing. And you can find a pro/con argument to make for either morning or afternoon shooting position. And Jamie made the best shot(s) that day on the mile long rifle challenge, by any measure, against all competition assembled there that day, and no matter who you might be rooting for to win.
The person spotting was a guy named Trent that the network placed behind us, standing with a tall tripod (and what looked like maybe a compact Leupold spotting scope). There was a LOT of controversy with this, because the top long range guys were not sure how much they could trust this unknown spotter guy. A lot is riding on this, and do you want to rely on a stranger spotting for what could be the most important shot you ever take? Some guys wanted Pete or Kelly to spot for all of us, but the network could not do that without risking some element of fairness. And during all this frank talk about the spotter's credentials, he overheard and got directly involved... and it was all very uncomfortable. ME? I don't have any kind of long range credentials to say anything to anyone, so I just shut my mouth and listened (rare for me!)
There were times we (the shooters) didn't see our hits and we would then yell out for a spot, and if the spotter saw a hit he would then give his 'mil' call. There are times neither saw a hit. Its a friggin' MILE !!
I know for ME, I asked for a call on each shot and the spotter Trent gave me back what he thought he saw. I adjusted to the calls, and made the hit. And I still could not have been happier to hit in just 3 shots!!! I probably jumped up and down afterwards like a retarded chimp (not shown) and then ran over to thank the spotter with serious genuine gratitude. For all the ugly doubt and hurt feelings, I had to thank him big time for excellent spots. And he congratulated me for making great corrections. And the producers got a kick out of the whole thing because it was the happiest they ever saw me. Ha!!!!
As for the shooting order, we draw random shooting order and sometimes it might be better to go first, but most times not. You should listen to a podcast called "Top Shot Talk" (with Jim and Craig?). Jamie was on after this episode and gave some great insight. First, in this case it was probably best to go first because the temp/wind are closest to when the rifle was initially zero'ed. But still, conditions have changed over several hours before first shot, and Jamie still had to mentally figure his hold over (maybe 6ft off?) to make the shot.
Jamie on the podcast explained that the target did not really explode on the first shot. So he kept shooting, and it eventually blew up on 5th shot. And when the crew went down to change the exploding target, they actually found THREE bullet holes in the bullseye. Jamie hit 3 out of 5 !!! Sometimes the targets don't explode reliably and the production team has to rewind film with digital time code to determine actual record time for score. Lawyers go over every detail. It happened to at least one other person on the MILE shot, too. Truth be told, Jamie was glad he didn't see it blow on the first shot because it kept him from acting like an ass with celebratory foolishness. Ha!!!!!!!
As for the pro/com in shooting order, I think the winds and temps were better in the morning. Luck of the draw. We also had a lunch break in the middle of the event. And I would bet that afternoon shooters were sniffing around for hold-over tips from the morning crew. Or trying to find George at the rest room line? Never know.
The point is really that every shooting order is by random drawing. And you can find a pro/con argument to make for either morning or afternoon shooting position. And Jamie made the best shot(s) that day on the mile long rifle challenge, by any measure, against all competition assembled there that day, and no matter who you might be rooting for to win.
Thanks for the behind-the-scene info Adam. We always wonder about things like that, like when Kyle was having trouble getting his Gatling gun to feed - was it the same one he had practiced with? Would the person he was shooting against (don't remember who it was) have had the same problem if the guns were swapped?
It'd be cool if they would do an entire show devoted to stuff like that, like the extras on a DVD. Air it right after the season finale. Or put it on a DVD or make it available for download - two hours, uncensored!
It'd be cool if they would do an entire show devoted to stuff like that, like the extras on a DVD. Air it right after the season finale. Or put it on a DVD or make it available for download - two hours, uncensored!
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ThePenguinKnight said:
I'm pretty sure I saw camera catch the spotter a bit behind the shooter in at least one shotUSMCBamBam said:
That would have been my thought to. Put several shots out there rather than wait for each strike and make running corrections.
If you correlated the shots shown and the performance times given, you knew you weren't seeing all the shots taken
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Many thanks for the explanations, Adam. I may not have been paying enough attention, but I didn't see any mention of a spotter.
Let me say it again, but more clearly: it is almost unbelievably impressive that every marksman on the linehit the target at a full mile under the conditions they were shooting; I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have done it under the time limit and ammo constraints. Each of you guys made incredible shots that most folks couldn't. Knowing Jamie hit on the first shot is by far the most impressive of them all (and finding out he hit 3/5!), no question about that.
To me, amongst all the skill shown at the time, next to Jamie I was most impressed by Kelly hitting so quickly and accurately as the last guy in line. I tip my hat to all of you as fantastic shooters, and especially to those two on that challenge.
A special edition on DVD with commentary by the cast would probably be pretty cool. The background stories of the challenges makes it seem all the cooler
Thanks again, Adam. And good shooting!
Let me say it again, but more clearly: it is almost unbelievably impressive that every marksman on the linehit the target at a full mile under the conditions they were shooting; I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have done it under the time limit and ammo constraints. Each of you guys made incredible shots that most folks couldn't. Knowing Jamie hit on the first shot is by far the most impressive of them all (and finding out he hit 3/5!), no question about that.
To me, amongst all the skill shown at the time, next to Jamie I was most impressed by Kelly hitting so quickly and accurately as the last guy in line. I tip my hat to all of you as fantastic shooters, and especially to those two on that challenge.
A special edition on DVD with commentary by the cast would probably be pretty cool. The background stories of the challenges makes it seem all the cooler
Thanks again, Adam. And good shooting!
Arkansas Paul
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It is very cool to have a contestant join us on the board and share some real insight.
Average shooters don't make it to the show.
Average shooters don't make it to the show.
jerkface11
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The preview for the next episode showed them shooting while strapped to a spinning wheel. Because that evidently takes skill and not luck.
fallout mike
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Well, they don't shoot while the wheel is spinning. Anyone else want that doesn't watch the show want to post anything..
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Take a look at that carnival wheel we spin for position on next week's episode. Whose shadow does that look like, with hands fixed firmly on hips. I kept calling it the "Wheel of Colby" in my interviews. Ha!
SharpsDressedMan
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The show lost credibility with me when I heard that Chris Cerrino returned as an "all star" after shooting himself on the police instruction range shortly after his initial competition on the show. I guess examples of safety aren't some of the criteria they look for, or maybe it's just "who you know".
I love hearing all the behind the scenes stuff, thanks for speaking up Adam.
Spotters or NOT, the mile long shot was a real 'rubber meets the road' moment for most people armchair quarterbacking a given episode.
Spotters or NOT, the mile long shot was a real 'rubber meets the road' moment for most people armchair quarterbacking a given episode.
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