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Tornados in Florida (on topic)

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Zen21Tao

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The Tornados that hit Central Florida hit less than 5 miles from my parents home in Volusia County. They are ok.

As others have said in a thread that was locked, the tornados hit completely unexpected and caused great devistation. What makes this discussion ON TOPIC is the response following this disaster and how it differs greatly from the response following Hurricane Katrina. Mostly because Katrina's response came from those that share the ideology that gun-grabbers do and Florida's resonse represents the ideology and beliefs of gun owners.

The effected areas were immediately declared a disaster areas by Govenor Charlie Christ and local efforts to provide relief were conveyed immediately as well. As for FEMA, they were her on the ground providing relief in less than 24hrs. Here there is no looting and no riots in the street. This is no doubt due, in large part, to Florida Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Law.

There also have been no firearm confiscation orders given. For the most part, Florida is a very Conservitive state (well except for South Florida at least) where people believe in individual responsability. Rather than looking and waiting for hand outs from the Government, people are coming together to help each other. The aftermath of this storm demonstates the difference between how a nanny state handles a natural disaster and how a state built on freedom and responsability handle a natural disaster. I have never been prouder to be a Floridian.


** To stay on topic with THR: The 2nd Amendment is in part protecting people's means to defend themselves. Those that charish the 2nd Amendment understand that it has to do greatly with freedom and responsability. Most gun owners understand and accept that self-reliance is a personal responsabiliy. Those that oppose the 2nd Amendment want to defuse people of their responsability for themselves making them dependent upon the powers of government (local, state and fed). To keep on topic, please keep responses focused on how these two ideologies, dependance on others w/out responability and dependance on the self with personal responsability differ and effect our 2nd Amendment right.
 
It doesn't surprise me at all. Michigan has enacted her shall-issue carry law and Castle doctrine based on the model of Florida. Hopefully, someday I can say that I too, am proud of my state, but Michiganders must have the brains to first oust our pathetic senators before that can happen.

I'm surprised that these laws were enacted with our governor. She was rabidly anti-gun as AG. She has adopted a wait-and-see attitude on guns. Something I'm sure John Engler taught her before he left. And as a bonus, we have a staunchly pro-gun AG, now.

What has happened in Florida is what I would expect from that state. Hats off.
 
I thought that Florida has a law against firearm confiscations, especially during times of emergengy. Specifically, state statute 870.044 as referred to recently in another THR post. Here's a link to it:

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/laws...h_2006-100.pdf

Why are you implying that guns CAN be siezed?

Yes, I know we have legislation to prevent firearms from being taken during times of emergence. IIRC this was passed right after Katrina. The point I am making is the stark contrast between the leadership in Florida and Louisiana. As you may recall Ray Nagin passed the order for LEOs to go door to door and collect firearms. This is something we in FL are protected from.
 
The part that saddens me (a fellow FL resident) was that FEMA was expected to show up at all for this, let alone < 24 hours.
 
Stevie-Ray,
Governor Granholm is still an anti...The only reason she signed the Castle Doctrine is because:

1. There were enough votes to override her veto.
2. She needed to appear friendly to gun owners before the election.

You notice she waited until the last day possible to sign it. That was to look reluctant to the anti's. And she DID sign it. That was so it would take another two months to take effect, instead of letting it pass without signing it, which would have made it go into effect immediately...

But you're right about the AG. Thank goodness for Mike Cox!
 
The part that saddens me (a fellow FL resident) was that FEMA was expected to show up at all for this, let alone < 24 hours.

I agree with you that natural disaster relief "should" be handled by local and state government. However, I think there is room for federal assistance if needed but only when specifically and legally requested by the state government. In fact, IIRC the law requires the state to ask the federal government for assistance before the federal government can legally intervine. This was one of the major problems with Katrina in New Orleans that so few lefties understand. Govener Blanco waited 48hrs beore officially and legally requesting federal assistance.

I also agree that the "expectation" of FEMA to show up is saddening. It demonstates that so many in the nation really think it is the Federal Governments job to micromanage state issues. Again, it is that states responsability to assess the damamage and request aid as needed. It should just be automatically expected any time a disaster hits a state.
 
before anyone says I have no idea what I'm talking about let me say that I live in Gainesville and that I too have a parent in that part of Florida, my father and his wife live in the Villages and the Southern end of The Villages was devastated, having said that.
I think that our states attitude is important but with our without a Firarms friendly attitude the differnces between Katrina and "the '07 Tornado Storms" are extreme.

Katrina had DAYS of warnings
The Tornados gave minutes with no evacuation possible

Katrina flooded an entire city making passage by automobile impossible
The Tornados didn't take out HWY 441/27 or Interstate 75

"normal" good people are still here because they didn't have a chance to escape, with Katrina only two types of Civilians stayed those who couldn't afford to leave and those who chose to stay and loot.

So for a good Comparison look at the summer BEFORE Katrina when our state was hit by several hurricanes and the fair comparision will show that our state and our embrace of the RKBA is a good thing! :)
 
Why are you implying that guns CAN be siezed?

The government CAN do anything it wishes, legal or not legal. What Nagin ordered was illegal. It was a violation of the civil liberties of the citizens of La. Which is why that judge slapped him down hard.
 
When it comes to natural disasters, people in Florida know the score. It may be days before you see a cop or any state/federal response. Local governments act unilaterally and respond with their own action plans. Even Jeb Bush stated not to expect aid for as many as 3 days after an emergency. For the most part the people work together to get thru it the best they can.
It aint no fun being without electric for 10 days and no traffic signals for weeks but folks just bear down and deal with it. Most people know enough to prepare for it these days. ;)
 
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