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primer

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I'm starting this tread because there is a lack of info on certain scams or setups that happen on our roadways. I didn't want to hi-jack the tread. We were discussing "california taps" and other dangerous tricks that criminals use to victimize the public. Recently in our town there were some criminals going around and rear-ending people. Once they did that they would kidnap the vitim when they got out of their cars to see the damage and check on people. I would like to see further discussion of this and other situations that happen on our roadways to help educate others and make them aware of the danger. And help prepare them to deal with the situation and possibly avoid it altogether. What would you do in this situation?
 
Stay buckled in, doors locked. Crack the window and tell the other person to pull into the next populated, well lit location to exchange insurance info.

If the appearance and demeanor of the offending party is at all threatening, call police and stay in the vehicle. Drive away if necessary; in the scenario you described, it doesn't sound the like the vehicle is totaled to the point of being inoperable.
 
I've seen things on tv that others should be aware of. They have people who will drive around town in groups of 2 cars. They will get in front of their victims. The first one hits his brakes and the second one swerves out the way. The victim never has a chance to react. Hits the first car and gets sued. Watch for vehicles traveling in packs on conjested roads. There was an investigation of that a couple years ago.
 
You just described the classic “swoop and stomp” it is estimated we spend 30% more on our insurance rates because of this type of fraud. I have recently learned of a scam related to motorcycle theft, two People riding one motorcycle ride up to you and kick you off causing you to crash, then while you are down the second person jumps on your bike and they both ride away. Another more well known scam involves one driver telling another driver their car has a problem and to pull over. The victim can either be attacked on the spot or sometimes the perpetrator may actually disable the victim’s car in order to get the victim to drive off with them. Red light smash and grab, best to keep a little distance between yourself and the next vehicle in front for an escape route.
 
Stay buckled in, doors locked. Crack the window and tell the other person to pull into the next populated, well lit location to exchange insurance info.

Good advice...but how do you exchange info if the other party in a fender-bender also follows that advice?
 
I've heard of people who put things in the road such as shopping carts so that when you get out to move it they either attack you or steal your car. Best solution I guess is to shut off your engine and have you keys on you when you get out.
 
Then there's always the old Pretty Girl With a Busted Car scam. It's pretty simple--a woman waits by her car with the hood up, good citizen stops to assist, and good citizen gets robbed, either by the the woman or by her pal, who's waiting in the car.

In many cities, driving with your windows rolled down and a briefcase or purse sitting on the passenger seat is an open invitation for a perp to reach in, grab your stuff, and vamoose on foot.

In some areas of Chicago--and I'm sure other cities as well--some intersections are crawling with beggars, guys who will squeegee your windshield, etc. I avoid those people like the plague--if they approach, I'll roll down my window an inch and shout out "No!," then roll up the window. Most of these people are just looking for a buck or two, but a few have the tendency to turn violent if they think there might be something in it for them.

Generally, I am wary of any situation in which I don't have the room to maneuver. Bad guys tend to take advantage of the congestion that occurs at stop lights and the knowledge that you're unlikely to abandon your car to go after them if they steal something.
 
Yeah, this "survival" area is 90% car, 10% gun. Beware the assembling swoop and squat. Leave extra room in front of you if you can -- I know that in some cities, including DC where I worked years ago, this is impossible because jerks will cut in to save one (1) car length. But just assume that the drivers around you are about to do the stupidest or most vicious thing they can. That guy nosing out into the intersection might pull in front of you; the guy in the oncoming lane at the green light might turn left in front of you; get ready for emergency evasion maneuvers. I honed this skill when I began riding. The most frequent line at a car/cycle scene: "But officer, I never saw him." Bull. You saw him, you just misjudged his speed and thought you'd turn in front of him to save a second or two getting to Walmart. Wham.
 
Good advice...but how do you exchange info if the other party in a fender-bender also follows that advice?

you both wait for the police to arrive

....dominos delivers--so try to know where you are
 
If you follow at a safe distance, and pay attention, this wont happen.

Not necessarily so...

I was caught by an insurance scammer while driving down a two-lane one-way street. She (believe it or not - a middle-aged Asian women with a history of insurance fraud) stopped in the right lane with me following. I WAS following at a safe distance. I WAS paying attention.

I switched lanes (to the left lane) to go around her. She then made a perfectly timed left turn (toward the side street) from the right lane. I saw her head swivel before she made the move, and I knew she was coming. I was almost able to come to a complete stop and cut to the left before gently tapping her driver door with my right front fender.

She never got out of her car. I handed her my info through her cracked window. Since it was her fault, and the damage was so minor it could be resolved with a good buffing - I left the scene to make my appointment.

WRONG!

It turns out this was set up to occur in front of a body shop where she apparently had a confederate. They apparently smashed up the rear-end of her late-model Accord and claimed it was totaled - along with all kinds of physical injuries requiring extensive therapy, etc.

The insurance company denied her claims based on the physical evidence (My car only had a cracked turn signal and a smudge of white paint on the front right corner of my rubber fender). It was obvious that her damages and injuries could not possibly have been the result of a collision with my car.

It went to mediation and the mediator upheld her claim (??!!)

Bottom line: It doesn't matter how seemingly minor the incident may seem - or how important your appointment is...

DON'T leave the scene (unless you feel threatened).

DO call the police.

DO wait in your car until they arrive.

DO carry a cheap disposable camera in your car at all times (if you don't have a camera phone) to record the damages at the scene.
 
" If you follow at a safe distance, and pay attention, this wont happen.
Not necessarily so..."

Absolutely. A friend of mine was caught in a scam like this when someone cut him off on the freeway and slammed on the brakes before he had time to open up a safe following distance.

Tim
 
A friend of mine was caught in a scam like this when someone cut him off on the freeway and slammed on the brakes before he had time to open up a safe following distance.

Now that you remind me...that also happened to me many years ago when I was driving a cab. That wasn't a scam - just bad driving on the part of the pick-up driver who caused it. I saw that one coming too and was able to start braking before he even came all the way over. That may have saved my life! His insurance company admitted his negligence - and settled my claim (a rare outcome for a rear-ender!)

I'm always looking for swiveling heads on drivers in the lanes on either side of me. It's an almost infallible "tell".
 
One that I know of is when you're driving along and suddenly, a distraught person runs in front of your car pleading with you to stop. They come up to the driver's side window and scream that they need help. While you're distracted, an accomplice enters through the passenger side and puts a gun to your head.
 
Any assault that can be averted by simply locking your doors should never happen in the first place.

I keep my doors locked at home - even when I'm there and armed.

I keep my car doors locked - even when I'm driving and armed.

It's too simple a solution to ever ignore.
 
I'm in the group of those who wonder why people don't lock their vehicle doors, and house/apt. doors and windows.

I always love that reply, "Well, I live out in the country and no need to lock the doors out here. "

I say, "Oh really? Just Google "Perry Smith."

Or, "I live in an expensive, safe part of the city. Criminals don't come to our safe part of the city."


I say, "Oh really?" Just Google "Richard Ramirez."



'Nuff said.

L.W.
 
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Bottom line: It doesn't matter how seemingly minor the incident may seem - or how important your appointment is...

DON'T leave the scene (unless you feel threatened).

DO call the police.

DO wait in your car until they arrive.

DO carry a cheap disposable camera in your car at all times (if you don't have a camera phone) to record the damages at the scene.

Install a dash board camera in your car. You'll have all the proof you need to resolve the car accident, you can then worry about if it's a setup and whether you should take off.

I can never emphasize enough to call the police, even if it's a minor crash. Some insurance companies like Travelers will tell you not to call the police so they can deny your claims, but you are required by law to call the police.
 
I recently experienced someone, driving in front of me, who had their lights off at night. After about 5 minutes of doing 45 in a 55 they proceded to slam on their brakes twice. They second time they did it I, safely of course, swerved around them, passed them up and kept going. It might not be the best thing to do, but its what my instinct told me to do. I'm not sure if it was a scam or not but I am sure glad that I keep plenty of distance between me and the car in front of me.

I have some safety rules that I have taught my wife:

Lock doors, then start car.

Keep your distance(being aware of scams)

Windows up

Be very aware of what is going on around you at a stop sign/light, give room to escape.

No hitchikers, no roadside assistance

If you get into an accident stay in the car and call the police, crack window for communication.

If you must pull over because you think there may be a flat or what not, for God's sake do it in a well lit area that is safe from traffic with handgun nearby.
 
DO carry a cheap disposable camera in your car at all times (if you don't have a camera phone) to record the damages at the scene.

This is a VERY good idea. In 2007 I was traveling down a four land road and some stupid college student tried to turn left out of a dormitory parking lot without stopping and without looking. I ended up t-boning her Jeep and broke my left hand. The fact that I had pictures showing how the vehicles ended up after the wreck and damage to both made the claim go faster. Here in San Antonio the cops tell everyone in a wreck, "If the vehicle can move get it out of the street as soon as possible." So you end up moving the vehicles before he cops show up. So the vehicle positions is not documented in the police report. So document the scene before you are forced to move the vehicles.
 
Honestly... its the stupids that scare me more than the crooks on the road. Chances of getting your life destroyed by a moron are much higher than getting robbed. Crooks are pretty rare, but morons are everywhere.
 
COLORADO HANDGUNNER - "Been thinking about a car gun, but can't decide if it is necessary."

It's never "necessary" until it's necessary.

Then, without it, it's too late.

L.W.
 
Amen on the danger of morons. It's like Wil Wheaton says in his two rules of the road:

1) Don't be a dick.
2) Assume everyone else on the road is an idiot, and is actively trying to kill you.

I follow such sage advice myself... it has kept me alive thus far on 2-wheels and 4... in Utah nonetheless. Home of the most brain-dead drivers in America.
 
As a brain dead Utah driver I appologize for my driving. I mean no offense.

As far as the rear-end scam I have an extended reciever hitch that I leave on for just that purpose.
I'm also 6'8 and 300lbs so I'm not the most appealing assault target even without my .45 and 7+1 little friends
 
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