Trap Starts Next Week - Rem 1100 or Win Super X2?

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I traded some nice pump shotguns I did not use for a Winchester Super X2 made in Belgium.

The Win SX2 has removable chokes, a 28" ribbed barrel and will shoot 3.5" shells. Serial # 11DNNO3XXX. 3 crowns over an "X" on the receiver. Says "Super X2 Magnum 3 1/2" on the receiver.

Today, I stumbled across a Remington 1100 Magnum for a good deal. It has a barrel marked "2 3/4 shells" "full" on the left side and "REP" "E" (in a triangle) and "D" on the right side. The serial # is 2704XXM. Says "Remington Model 1100" and "Magnum" on the receiver.

A few questions --

-Which would be better for Trap? I plan to try both, but I want to hear opinions.
-Any idea on the value of the guns?
-Do you think the "Magnum" 1100 receiver and the 2 3/4" barrel are original?
-Any recommendations for modifications? I will be using these for trap, upland hunting and possibly self-defense.

Thanks!
 
Either should work well if you find some loads that function the SX2 reliably.
The 2-3/4" barrel is not original to the 1100 Magnum receiver, but it will work okay in my experience with all but the lightest 2-3/4" loads. Rem advertised you could put regular barrels on magnum receivers. If I was going to shoot a lot of 2-3/4" through it (i.e.; trap) I would get a non-magnum action spring, and a non-magnum action bar sleeve for it. The barrel and those parts were about the only differences between the two models.
It sounds like you are just starting into trap. I am not going to tell you you need to start with a Super Trap Whizzer 3800 with a PolyGlotz stock and a Hand Sticker forend. Trap has a lot of special guns, but you can break 24s and 25s with excellent regularity with an 1100 (and really tick off some of the die hards in the process). It won't be long and you will have some ideas on where you want to go, gun wise. Enjoy.
 
If you're going to start shooting registered ATA trap for scores, look into finding an 1100 Trap gun. One with a 30" full trap barrel and Monte carlo stock. 1100 Traps shoot high for most shooter, and this is what you want in a trap gun. One with a built in lead that doesn't require you to cover the target with the muzzle of your barrel.
 
Both can work, though field 1100s shoot flatter than most trapshooters prefer. Try them and see.

Magnum 1100 receivers can work with 2 3/4" barrels as said. The Winchester may need to be broken in for reliably functioning with light loads.

Both also may fling shells that will irritate other trapshooters on the line. You do NOT want to bounce empties off a trap gun with gold birds all over it.

Various shell catchers are available. The cheapest is a rubber band. The size found on broccoli at the grocery is good. Carry spares.

HTH....
 
Will the 3 1/2" gun function with 2 3/4" target loads at all?
I guess it would not matter, shooting 16 yd singles to get started in Trap, but you would lose some of the convenience and recoil cushioning of the gas gun. And what I call "upland game" would not require magnums, either.

Likewise the 1100, although there is more you can do with it to get it to run, as said.
You could put a Monte Carlo stock on it for serious trapshooting, too. Don't know how it would affect the hunting, though.

For home defense, a short pump might be preferable, although I have an 1100 smoothbore slug gun that will do well to repel boarders. The essential thing there is reliable function.
 
All this stuff about having to get a gun that shoots high for trap is hooey. Maybe you don't even want one. Hard to say at this point.

Some people love having a gun that allows them to "float the bird", i.e. point under it instead of at it. This lets them see it better. Others like a gun that lets them point the bead at the bird, i.e. the gun automatically compensates for the vertical lead. I, OTOH, hit more clays at the trap range with a field gun. Remington, Beretta, whatever. I sold my trap gun and I've done better ever since (do better at other kinds of shooting, too, since I'm not practicing with a gun that doesn't shoot like a field or SC gun).

Now maybe that's because I don't shoot a flat at American Trap targets on Saturday and one on Sunday. I'm not, and have no desire to become, a Trap guy. But I shoot a trap league after work, for practice, fun and to see friends. I haven't focused on American Trap.

My point is this: don't let anyone tell you that you want a Monte Carlo stock and a gun that shoots high. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Only you can tell, and the kind of shooting you do will influence your preference. Shoot what you have, THEN decide, IMHO.

That 1100 would be a good gun to buy, if you want an 1100. The Magnum came with a 3" barrel, but it's most useful today with a 2 3/4". The Magnum is a stronger receiver. The 1100 is far from perfect, but my 1100 Magnum is a good gun, for relatively cheap. I wouldn't buy a semiauto specifically for trap, myself, though. Any semiauto.

And the 1100 Magnum is not a light gun. Good for trap, but for upland hunting, put sling swivels on it. I'd hold off and buy something else.

The SX2 should work fine to mess around on the trap range. As far as what it will shoot, check with Winchester. It might not shoot the lightest loads, but it won't kick much with a heavier one, anyway. I'd guess it might do 3 Dram just fine, but I don't know.
 
Thanks for the great responses! I bought the Rem 1100 for $250. Frontiersman in St. Loius Park, MN. I am pretty sure it was a good deal. The advice provided is exactly what I need!

I will check it out for trap. I have been cycling trough some other shotguns, but I hover around the 17-20/25 range. I want to pick one gun and get to know it this season, so I will probably run with the 1100, but I still want to test out the Win SX2, so we'll see.

Still snowing today 4/27 in MN, so we'll probably have some INTERESTING trap nights once again this year. :rolleyes:

I doubt I will ever buy a straight trap gun. I just want guns that are useful for real life. It's an affliction...I know. Just plain old no delta for me on that.

My team actually won the class A last summer, but it's a lot more about having a few ringers and just plain old showing up to shoot.

Thanks for the help!
 
Oh - and by the way ... this question is not a "what ONE gun for trap...hunting and self-defense?" question. I have guns for hunting and self-defense. I just want a trap gun that can also do the other two things.

My seasonal trap gun quickly becomes my go-to gun. I participate in competitive shooting to get to know my guns...I don't buy a gun just to participate in trap shooting. The first gun I ever re-sold was a Benelli Nova that got hung-up during a trap shoot to the point I had to quit. That's just plain old unacceptable.

It looks like I might be able to modify this Rem 1100 to help my 2008 trap game. I will probably keep searching for the 'best' shotgun for my needs. Thanks for the great THR advice!
 
Both also may fling shells that will irritate other trapshooters on the line. You do NOT want to bounce empties off a trap gun with gold birds all over it.
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Excellent advice Dave. It'sot necessarily that kind of trap range, but I will watch my shell ejection. And add a rubber band if necessary. I love the low-tech solution. :D

Although I HAVE freaked out shooters to the right of me with how fast I shoot after I say "Pull!" (I just turn into a rifleman if take time to think about the target - 'thinking' does not work for me for wing shooting).

My room for improvement is a big space between "dust" and "lost".
 
That does look even better. If I ever used my 1100 for trap any more, I'd get one of those.

The problem with a rubber band is that it can move around.
 
IMO if you are going to play the game, get the equipment. There is a reason shotguns for Trap shooting are called Trap guns. While you can shoot and break targets with another type shotgun, it won't be as easy as with a trap gun. Trap is a game you are shooting for score and/or money. If all you want to do is hit the trap range a couple times a year and bust some clays then any shotgun will do but if you want to play the game and compete with others you need the right equipment.
 
LOL @ the notion that someone should shoot for money when starting out with trap shooting...
 
LOL @ the notion that someone should shoot for money when starting out with trap shooting..
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The registered meets are not the place to learn to shoot Trap.

"Fun and Game" evenings and days are most trap shooters bread and butter shoots. Annie Oakley's, 3 guns, All guns, Bushwackers, Buddy shoots etc. allow a new shooter some friendly fun competition where you can make a few bucks back. You will pay some "learning" money but you do that with any gaming be it bowling or poker. The learning curve is fast and the fun in addicting. I used to shoot 2 sometimes 3 times a week at these "meet" shoots at various clubs in the area. I figured it was a good night if I paid for my shooting and shells. On a good meet I'd come home with money in my pocket, most of the time it was break even or pay a little.
 
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