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Canadian friends who, for the past 15 years had been taking their northern winter holidays in New Zealand, had been reluctant to travel to Australia. When quizzed, they explained that the prospect of visiting Australia conjured up memories of headlines like “Another Shark Attack†and “Tourist killed by Crocodileâ€, or “Bushfires Ravage National Parksâ€. I explained that those events were rare and persuaded them to travel to Australia to enjoy the sun, surf and friendly Australians. Subsequently they spent several weeks travelling around Australia during the summer of 2003-04.

However, when summer 2004-05 came around my Canadian friends refused to visit Australia, staying once again in New Zealand. They explained that they were now afraid to visit Australia, because of “all the crime and dangerous peopleâ€.

They reported that everywhere they went, during their 2003-04 holiday, they were afraid of being robbed, or assaulted. They observed that most shopping centres were patrolled by security guards. At a bank in country Victoria, when they had to make several transactions, they were told by the manager that “the banks are now getting their customers to do all these transactions on the internet or by telephone, because we get so many bank hold-ups and we don’t want our customers to get shotâ€.

They explained that the newspaper headlines now read, “British tourist missing, believed murdered near Alice Springsâ€, “Canadian tourist doused with petrol and burnt to death in Darwinâ€, “15 backpackers murdered in Queensland hostel fireâ€, “Asian student dead in trunk of car, after bungled kidnapping attemptâ€, “25 gangland murders in Melbourne†and “Cricket champion David Hookes dead after nightclub bashingâ€.

They reported that Australians were insular, selfish and unfriendly.

What has become of Australia?

My Canadian friends opined that Australia’s gun laws, introduced by Prime Minister Howard in 1996, may have been to blame. They were aware that the New Zealand police had been encouraged to introduce the same gun laws, but declined. The N.Z. authorities announced that their laws concentrated on criminals rather than diverting valuable police resources towards gun owners, who had never been a problem.

Australia, as a civilized and prosperous society with low levels of unemployment, was once a safe and pleasant land. However, all that has now changed.

Australia, since 1996, has become one of the most dangerous places on planet Earth.

For a country of only 20 million people, such reports of increases in crime are alarming. So let’s review the facts, so that travellers are alerted before coming to Australia or can change their travel plans to avoid Australia altogether.


Latest data from the Australian Institute of Criminology (Australian Crime. Facts and Figures 2004) presents a truly frightening picture. There were 350 murders in Australia in 1996, and murders continued to increase to 386 in 1999. Victims of assault increased from 114,542 in 1996 to 158,629 in 2003. The AIC commented, “The number of assaults increased by an average of 6% between 1995 and 2003. This is five (5) times the annual growth of the Australian population over the same period.â€

The story for sexual assault is even worse, with 14,542 victims in 1996 increasing to 18,237 in 2003. According to the National Crime and Safety Survey (2002) it is estimated that only 20% of sexual assaults were reported! At a Community Forum on rape in Western Sydney, a Police representative explained that, “...the police cannot be everywhere. If you’ve been raped, you’ll get over it. Just be thankful you weren’t murderedâ€.

But it is not just the Australian statistics that point to a more dangerous Australia; an International Crime Victims Survey carried out by Lieden University, Holland reported that “Australia has the worst prevalence of crime among 17 industrialized countriesâ€.

So what happened in the time from 1996, to create the conditions for such an upsurge in crime?

Like my Canadian friends, many Australians point to the changes in the laws in 1996, which said that Australians were no longer permitted to own firearms for personal protection. Not only are most normal types of long arms and handguns banned in Australia, but it is also against the law to carry even a knife or pepper spray to ward off an attacker. Of course, the law has been ignored by criminals, who continue to carry guns and knives and use them with impunity. Should you work in a high-risk profession like a convenience store and want to simply protect yourself with body armour, you can’t, as that’s outlawed too.

Instead of mandatory jail terms for the use of weapons in crime, the Australian Government has spent a billion dollars in gun ‘buy backs’, taking (and crushing) guns from Australians, who had never done anything wrong. Lives saved? Exactly zero.

Australian children are not even allowed to have toy guns, as the Government says "they look like real guns and could be used to hold up a bank"!

If the Australian Government can’t trust Australians to own guns and knives, why should an overseas visitor risk a visit?

An excessive amount of Government money as well as scarce police time and resources is now consumed in pursuing law-abiding citizens who may choose to own a gun for sport, occupation or recreation. Police are told to carry out inspections of every licensed gun owner and check their details against a massive firearms database. The firearms registry computers seem to leak like a sieve, though, with many gun owners homes being targeted by criminals who know exactly what guns are on the premises!

This power given to the police has led to instances of corruption with guns being “planted†on suspects in the hope of helping to gain a conviction. Many rare guns handed in to police were found to be not crushed, but on-sold to the "black" market, or kept in police private collections. Each State of Australia has held or is planning investigations into police corruption. In New South Wales the Police Integrity Commission has uncovered massive police involvement in extortion and drugs; similarly, a large number of Victorian police have been charged or are under investigation for drugs, robbery and even murder.

What has been the community’s response to the dramatic increase in crime?

Many people are afraid to go out at night. Cinemas report declining attendances, as people choose to stay at home watching videos or DVDs. Domestic security is a booming industry. Australia now has more than 200,000 private security guards (of course, most are armed with handguns) and Police can be hired out to protect private functions. CCTV and other intrusive surveillance is prevalent in shopping centres, railway stations and city streets. Security guards patrol public transport such as trains and buses.

Sections of Australian cities even have “no go†zones where riots, murders, drive-by shootings, drug trafficking and armed robbery are not uncommon.

If you’re attacked and rushed to hospital, “good luckâ€. On average 18,000 patients each year die from medical misadventure in Australia. The billions of dollars spent on gun “buy backs†were diverted from the health system; hospitals are now stretched for funds with long waiting lists, few available doctors and critical nurse shortages.

Similarly, there is no effective system in Australia to deal with the mentally ill; in New South Wales alone, between 1999 and 2003, 36 murders were committed by recently released mental health patients. Many more murders and assaults were carried out by people later deemed “mentally unfit to stand trialâ€.

A special warning should also be made about the condition of Australia’s roads; almost 2,000 people die each year on roads that are poorly maintained and more suited to a third world country!

How many lives would have been saved if the money wasted on gun crushing, registration, inspections, permits etc., had been spent improving the medical, mental health or road systems?

My Canadian friends have always felt comfortable in New Zealand, which declined to implement Howard’s gun laws. New Zealanders can still own and use semi-automatic firearms banned in Australia. New Zealanders do not have to register their rifles and shotguns; they once had registration but it was abandoned many years ago after a police study found it was of no assistance in preventing or solving crime. New Zealand’s laws punish the criminals - not law abiding gun owners. Most young people in NZ learn about responsibility and self-control by being taught how to safely handle a gun from an early age.

As a result, New Zealand has a much lower crime rate than Australia.

Perhaps my Canadian friends are right. Better to go to New Zealand than risk your life in Australia.

C.L.A.S.S. Action. (www.c-l-a-s-s.net)
 
I forsee a sad and terrible ending to this story. I pray the same doesn't happen here. Here's hoping you folks can get your Government under control without bloodshed. But I doubt it. Best of luck.
 
Of course, the law has been ignored by criminals, who continue to carry guns and knives and use them with impunity.
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". Let this be a lesson to the rest of us. Don't give up your firearms
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!
 
Australia used to be on my short list of countries that I'd really like to visit some day. Now, it appears that that list has grown even shorter with Australia's exclusion. My prayers are for the remaining, powerless, law abiding Australian citizens who, like us here in the U.S., want only to live their lives in peace, yet retain the right to carry the burden of their own self defense and well being, if necessary.

This tale is a classic example of government sanctioned, liberal minded insanity, and the terrible results thereof. My congratulations to the New Zealanders, who refused to take part in Australian lunacy.

If it's any consolation, I understand that your English brethren are suffering similar results.
 
First off, welcome to THR Aussie Wheels. :D

Second, re your posting. Dren! A good friend and her husband are visiting there now near Sydney, and me being a bit of a worrier this sorta tenses me out. I REALLY hope they don't end up moving there for a spell, though they are.
 
Sounds like they're going back to their roots as an English penal colony... :eek:

I've seen too many Discovery Channel shows about "every natural thing in Australia can kill you" sort of thing for me to want to visit. The latest was some huge killer ant that lives in suburbia...
 
Welcome to THR Aussie Wheels. It deeply saddens me to hear that since both our countries have much in common. When I visited there in the mid 80's the welcome I received from everyone was overwhelming. I never met any Aussies that were unfriendly and while in the bars the World Cup was always brought up and I always replied. I couldn't think of a better bunch of blokes to lose it to,? That always got me another Fosters but in my heart I really felt that way. I hope it will be possible for your countrymen to turn your country around; It will be hard and will take a massive effort.

The hardest problem I had over there was driving on the left.

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I forsee a sad and terrible ending to this story. I pray the same doesn't happen here. Here's hoping you folks can get your Government under control without bloodshed. But I doubt it. Best of luck.
Maybe not in our lifetimes but surely in my children's. You know, I have been reading Unintended Consequences (just got to the "Present Day" part) and I must say that I think every teen/young adult that is mature enough to handle the sexual references and violence should be encouraged to read it. Very eye-opening material about all us frogs in the proverbial pot of water here in the States.

Greg
 
Left? Liberal? Are you Freaking Kidding?~?**%*#&&$%#

larryf1952
"This tale is a classic example of government sanctioned, liberal minded insanity, and the terrible results thereof."

El Tejon
"Australia is yet another horrific example of where the Left in the U.S. wants to take us."

Come on, first all WE all know that liberty is good, liberal is thus good, and to hell if other people want to pretend liberal and liberty is bad. It's freaking Orwellian, all these 'freedom lovers' that 'hate liberals'. Its freakign right out of 1982, right out of it. Liberty=liberal=good. If you want to criticise a particular person or decision, do it, but don't drag liberty into it! Eventually people may lose the all perspective!

Second of all, Howard is a CONSERVATIVE. OK, let's clarify, he's a Big L Liberal, the party, which is small c conservative, the ideology. Big L Labour, as you can guess, is actually small what you are thinking of.

"SEARCH: News. Web. RSS News Feeds. Key U.S. Ally on Iraq Wins 4th Term in Australia. Associated Press. Sunday, October 10, 2004; Page A34. SYDNEY, Oct. ... despite widespread public disagreement in Australia with Howard's position on the war ... victory for his conservative coalition in the Australian election. Howard sent troops to ..."


That's right, the particular party that someone belongs to doesn't make them a good person or bad. Even if they share you views on 99.9999999999% of stuff they can disagree on the right to self defence and rkba.
 
Are you kidding??! This is sarcasm right? Or have you been hiding under a rock somewhere? The only thing liberals and liberty have in common is that the view points of liberals and their shameful ways of forcing them on us are afforded to them because of the liberty they enjoy at our expense.
Liberal=Gun Grabber
Liberty=Freedom to be a Gun Grabber (Or not) without retribution.

Liberty is something we're steadily loosing because of these pukes. Wake up and smell the coffee!! :cuss:
 
I visited Sidney in 1964 while in the U.S. Navy...It was one of the most pleasant experiences of my life..We were treated with utmost kindness from everyone..It is sad to learn that things have become as they are there.
 
I'm posting a response from an Aussie friend of mine. These are HER words, not mine, so flaming me will get you nowhere. :cool:


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I just gotta shake my head at this. Mostly at how statistics can be misused.

First off, the whole anecdotal thing about your friends not wanting to visit Australia because of fear - I had to laugh. I just moved back to Sydney, Australia after 12 years in Washington DC. You quote that there are under 400 murders in Australia per year? Not too bad for a country of 20 million people, especially when you consider that in DC there are about 400 murders a year for 0.7 million people! I would agree that crime against property is about the same rate as in the US but your chance of being offed by a gun, knife, sledgehammer or any other implement is so much less than in the US and about the same as in Canada, iirc. Just because someone feels the fear, does not mean that their perceptions of the situation are correct. After all, my poor mother had the same fears about me going to live in DC as your Canadian friends have about visiting Australia.

According to the latest AIC report released on their website in March 2005, homicide rates between 1996 and 2003 varied from a low of 332 in 1998 to a high of 386 in 1999. In 2003, they were at 341 below the 350 of 1996. (That's 1.7 people per 100,000 in case you want to compare to other countries to see how dangerous Australia really is.) I don't think that you can make any correlations of statistical significance between the homicide rates and the guns laws of 1996. And assault levels rose each year from 96 to 2002 but fell in 2003 as a result of a fall in robberies in that year - much of that due to a consistent decline in motor vehicle theft since 96. Sexual assaults actually fell consistently from 1996 to 1999 and then rose sharply in 2000. Separately and taken together, this doesn't fit the pattern that you describe.* In fact, the AIC director Tony Makkai is quoted as saying in the media release that: 'Overall the figures show that there have been declines across almost all of the major crimes in Australia, particularly for property offences which accounted for 85% of all major crimes in 2003'.

* see table 1a at http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2004/tab01a.html

It's especially fun when people use percentage changes to make their point. Yes, there's a 10 percent increase in homicide! oh, but there were only 10 homicides, so that's only an increase of one! Oops. The initial levels are important. And when looking at percentage increases over time, you can't just take the first and last year because you've ignored all the years inbetween. You need to do a moving annual average, not a simple average - a function that can be found in excel, fercrissakes!

Yes, we have very dangerous spiders, snakes, crocodiles and sharks. Yes, people do get bitten and eaten. But I was just as wary of bears when I was in Yellowstone as I was wary of crocodiles when I was in the north of Australia. And just as wary of ticks in the US as redback spiders in my backyard here. And there's a lot of bushfires here - we're the world's driest continent. But I remember driving out of LA in late 2003 and taking detours when the fires there were raging and homes burnt down to the ground and I couldn't see the road for the smoke. Ah, the old perception/reality thing.

I think that the person who wrote this article did it in an entirely tongue in cheek manner. That one law passed on 96 to tighten and already repressive gun regime can affect funding for roads, health, the care of the mentally ill, make Australians 'insular, selfish and unfriendly', ban children from having toy guns (tell that to my nephew who has about 5 toy guns at last count), stop people from going out at night and drive them to watch DVDs at home, cause the cinema industry to decline (yeah, right!) make a boom industry of security services, cause massive police corruption (sorry, it was already there), make everyone buy cable tv (kinda weird that Australian has a very low intake of 'pay tv' as it's called here), cause security surveillance on trains and buses (sorry that existed WAY before 96) and give us third-world road conditions that causes many of us to die!

That's a damn powerful law. Why wasn't I aware of it's impact? I've been living here for a while now. When I needed emergency surgery I was well-taken care of at first class facilities. I travel on the public buses and noticed not surveillance. I like the night buses and night trains that help you get home safely, but then the DC metro has cameras too that help to stop crime. I haven't seen any security guards at the malls I have visited. The last time I went to the cinema it was packed. I drove out of Sydney to a retreat in a rural area and saw that the roads were being improved everywhere. There are new motorways in Sydney and now you can drive from Sydney to Canberra without getting off the motorway. A friend of mine is a nurse that works with mentally ill teens and tries to help them and tells me about the programs that the state government has to serve the mentally ill. Australia's not a paradise but it's a really good place. That's why so many New Zealanders come here.

And, grrr, I abhor logical sloppiness.

In the end, your view may be the correct one. Maybe we all should be allowed to carry guns for personal protection. I know that holding a gun gives me a sense of power, which make me fearful of giving that right to everyone, considering how incredibly bloody stupid most of the population really is and little control they have over their impulses. But the statistics cited don't support the hypothesis that the 96 laws made Australia more dangerous. The correlation is a spurious one and the view that Australia is a more dangerous place is something to be challenged. You know, the people who write these articles should really contact me so that I can write this stuff for them - I can make up much better lies with statistics that wouldn't be nearly so easy to see through - all that training in statistical methods and econometrics could make me a fortune!

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OBTW, she wants me to take her shooting when she comes back to the States this Summer. :D

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I know that holding a gun gives me a sense of power, which make me fearful of giving that right to everyone, considering how incredibly bloody stupid most of the population really is and little control they have over their impulses.
The real reason liberal/leftists want gun control.

dev_null, your friend is a typical statist, elitist, small-minded, anti-freedom nitwit.
 
Domestic security is a booming industry. Australia now has more than 200,000 private security guards (of course, most are armed with handguns)
I used to live in Kansas, and there is a little loophole in the "no CCW" rules there. Those with a Private Police license can carry ... I looked into getting my Private Police license when I lived there and its not real easy or cheap, but it is possible (the difficult part is that you have to open or work for an honest to God PI business ... of course they never said you had to have lots of customers and be profitable ;) ).

I wonder if this course of action would be possible for law abiding Aussies to circumvent the stupid gun laws down there.
 
> dev_null, your friend is a typical statist, elitist, small-minded, anti-freedom nitwit.

In other words, when you can't deal with the argument, go for name-calling. Brilliant refutation. In fact, she is is a moderate Libertarian and is definitely none of the above.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the original poster's argument -- which you apparently only agree with because you like it, not because the argument itself is "sound" in the formal sense -- or my friend's refutation of it, which you dislike apparently only because it didn't agree with the first one -- is valid.

The line you quoted is her honest initial reaction, but is tempered by her willingness to learn more. Note, too, that she does in fact support the intention behind his post, despite the faulty logic and specious statistics.

I think it's pretty clear which one of you is small-minded and elitist.
 
Australia used to be on my short list of countries that I'd really like to visit some day.

My thoughts too, but I couldn't stand becoming enamored of an authoritarian country. I'd rather live free in Cleveland (not that the US is truly free, mind you), than a proletarian in paradise.
 
As an Australian (not by birth) living in Sydney I tend to agree far more with dev_null's associate that the original poster.
Yes crimes occur here, and yes many tourists are either unaware or unconcerned with potentially dangerous Aus. wildlife to the point where tragic events occur. However the idea that any one western nation is more or less dangerous than another is rather naive.
 
Tej, I'm just saying that liberal doesn't mean what people say it does. It's like Orwell predicted, people will be made to say 2+2=5. Just because a TV news channel or two tries to change the meaning of a word doesn't mean I have to as well. If liberal now means communist, what the hell means liberal????????????? I don't buy it.

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Dev Nul,

Your friend is apparently not aware that DC has even more restrictive gun laws than Australia; it is not surprising that it has a higher crime rate. Same reasons - a morally bankrupt and helpless populace, corrupt police and politicians, and foolish devotion to a socialist ideal.

In fact, the reported condition of Australia reminds me a lot of The Mother Country, England. Same conditions, same gun laws, same results. Anyone who still thinks of England as calm, peaceful and crime free, is living in the 19th century or in the pot-tinged haze of Brit government propaganda.

Jim
 
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