Trivia (and practical) question on NYPD 3953

[sidheshooter]

So, a buddy of mine has the chance to get into an NYPD 3953 at a decent price, but is leery of the 12-lb trigger that they have.

I don't know what the weight is on my own 3953, but it ain't no 12lbs. In fact, the DAO trigger is one of the best things about the 3953, for those that are into such things: it feels like a short, sweet, easy tuned revolver trigger.

I am *guessing* that it's just an extra power hammer spring, and that a standard 17-lb spring from Wolff would be the fix, but I'm not a dept armorer, so I thought I'd ask here. Anyone know for sure what the NYPD armorers did to mess with one of the better DAO triggers out there back in the day?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Jim K]

I understand it is just a heavier trigger spring, not a heavier mainspring (hammer spring).

Jim

 

[camsdaddy]

I have a 3913 and I would guess it may have a 12 lb trigger. While it is slightly heavy it is utterly smooth. I recently replaced the springs with stock springs and its a piece of cake. If springs are the only thing preventing him from buying it tell him dont hesitate it will be gone.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

I'm not sure that I want anything associated with "NY". It might involve Mayor Bloomberg.

 

[Devonai]

NYC was a lost cause a good 31 years before Bloomberg was born.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act

Don't blame the inanimate S&W for NYC's missteps.

 

[Speedo66]

IIRC, before they carried semi-auto, NYPD was issuing revolvers with the single action feature removed. When they started to issue semi-autos, the cops had choices, one of which was Sigs. What started happening was, the cops would take the expensive Sigs, sell them, buy the cheaper S&W's, and pocket the difference.

When they allowed Glocks, they went to the "NY" trigger, which was a heavier trigger spring.

My agency, in NYC, but not NYPD, went to the "NY+" trigger springs when we transitioned to Glocks, an even heavier spring. Nothing like buying a new Glock with a wonderful trigger, and when going to qualification, have the range officer, a qualified Glock armorer, inspect it and install a new trigger spring which doubled the pull pressure.

It came with an orange plastic bit so they could just visually inspect and see at every requal that you still had the right spring in it.

This all came about because when there were bad shootings by the NYPD, they blamed it on light triggers. In one instance, a cop got out of his RMP (Radio Motor Patrol, NYPD speak for a police car), cocked his revolver, walked over to a minority kid, and shot him in the head. At trial, his attorney blamed it on an involuntary finger disorder and a light trigger pull. Amazingly, he was found not guilty.

In NYC, NYPD is like the 800 lb. gorilla. Whatever they do, almost every other agency in NYC follows. Correction, Courts, Probation, Tax Agents, Bridge & Tunnel Officers, Reservoir Police, Fire Marshals, etc., etc., etc.

Retired now, but leave the heavy trigger in because now that's what I'm used to.