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True Blue Powder (Ramshot/Western Powders)

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by chagasrod, Jan 20, 2010.

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  1. chagasrod

    chagasrod Member

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    Has anyone tried True Blue powders? I was at Cabela's looking for the W231 with no luck. The vendor offered me this powder and he said he's been using it.
    I paid $21.99 for 1lb bottle.
     
  2. Walkalong

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    True Blue is a good powder. Much slower than W-231 though. Ramshot powders are good to go.

    Competition is a lot like WST. Good stuff for target loads in .45 ACP.

    Silhouette is the old Winchester W.A.P. powder, just relabled.

    HP-38 is the same powder as W-231, so if you can find it, you have found W-231 with another name.
     
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    rod, I'll second Walkalong's observations--we've both used True Blue. As he says, it is a lot slower--but it seems to be a wonder powder for 38 Special.

    Use google here, in this forum, to find more discussions about it.

    Jim H.
     
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    You can get some good velocity out of 9mm with that powder.
     
  5. Jumping Frog

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    See if they have Ramshot Zip instead. Ramshot Zip and W231 are very close to the same speed:
    18. Winchester WST
    19. Hodgdon HP38
    20. Winchester 452AA
    21. Scot 453
    22. Winchester 231
    23. Ramshot Zip
    24. IMR 700X
    25. Alliant Green Dot
    26. Hodgdon Int. Clays

    True Blue is much slower, as stated. Here is where it fits:
    48. IMR 800X
    49. Accurate No. 7
    50. Hodgdon Longshot
    51. Scot Solo 1500
    52. Ramshot True Blue
    53. Vihta Vuori N350
    54. Vihta Vuori 3N38
    55. Hodgdon HS-7
    56. Alliant Blue Dot

    Here is a powder burn rate chart from Ramshot:

    http://www.ramshot.com/powders/burnrate.php
     
  6. chagasrod

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    Thanks to all of you for the info.
     
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    I am using True Blue for 45 acp and 9 mm makarov, great stuff.
     
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    True Blue meters very well . . . so it's easy to use. I use 6.9gr to push Berry's plated 185gr HBRN bullets and 7.4gr for 230gr FMJ RN. Both loads are very accurate.
     
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    Thanks guys! I'm glad i found this forum.
     
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    I hear this time and again and know it to be true, but can someone explain why they are listed like this on the chart???
    Just thought it looked wrong and was a little cornfusing. :confused:
     
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    bullseye308: My guess is that the list simply hasn't been updated. And, don't forget that the list is NOT a linear sequence--e.g., the hierarchy representing equal increments. IOW, powders 19-22 may well be all equally fast....

    Jim H.
     
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    or it could be lot to lot variation between the 231 and HP-38 at the time of testing.

    All the Best,
    D. White
     
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    dwhite: I agree--but does anyone know just how precise the testing is, and what the specifications for precision are?--in layman's language, I would like to believe that the 'results' of the tests are better than something like "plus-or-minus five percent," but I wonder....

    Add to that the repeatability factors of such testing, and it behooves all of us to remember that probability analysis is really what "the pressure numbers" are in our hobby. Taken to the extreme edge, that simply means that every shot is a new crapshoot, so to speak, and new roll of the dice.

    I haven't updated my charts' downloads for the past year or so--but consider the location of True Blue (and AA#5, IIRC) on the RamShot Chart vis-a-vis the Hodgdon chart. (Not to mention the older charts no longer updated, like from Winchester.) It was when I started chasing these differences down that I began to understand that powder pressure charts were merely sequential lists, and do not represent a linear (or logarithmic, or whatever) progression.

    Jim H.
     
  14. Walkalong

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    All good points, but who cares if they are a couple of spots apart on one chart. Charts vary, and it is a "closed bomb" test, not a test in any caliber.

    Besides, powders in general behave differently in different applications. In .45 Colt powder ABC might be quicker than XWZ, but in .38 Spl XYZ might be quicker than ABC.

    I have several Burn Rate Charts, and AA #2 varies from #6 on one to #17 on another, going lower than several powders on the first chart.

    Many charts out there under different names/sources are copies and are identical.
     
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    I use it in 38/357, 44 mag and 9mm. I love the way it meters out of a powder measure.
     
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    speaking of metering...

    I do have trouble with these fine ball powders leaking from my (various) Lee Autodisk measures.

    Most of these measures have been updated / repaired, etc. to work properly--the problem is an inherent problem with powder getting into the slot for the actuating lever, and dribbling out there. The leak does NOT impact charge weight accuracy, as numerous checks against the scale demonstrate.

    Who uses a different measure on the Lee PTED, and / or what do you recommend. (Note: NOT interested in off-die/press measuring and charging for these (handgun) calibres...

    Jim H.
     
  17. Walkalong

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    No problems with my Redding 10X. Meters great, doesn't leak with any powder. Pricey. I am glad I bought it a few years ago when it was much cheaper. It was still a big decision though. Well worth it though.

    Don't know if it would work on your set up, cause I can't remember which one you have. :eek:
     
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    The press I'm using now is a Lee turret--the original one, updated to 4-die, etc. I'll probably get a Classic (Cast?) Turret in the future...but it's basically for a Lee turret setup; the issues for the two versions would be the same.

    gotta go look up a Redding 10x....

    Jim H.
     
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