Trying to decide what to get as my first rifle

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Get an m44 or m91/30

For a first gun? :what:

Start with a .22. The Ruger 10/22 is a great little gun. Learn to shoot first, then decide what larger caliber you want. Myself, given your parameters, I'd then go for an AR. Unless you live far up north, you *can* take a deer with it, and it certainly fits the bill for the other goals.

Happy shooting!

Springmom
 
An accurate rifle gives feedback on your shooting, an inaccurate rifle keeps you guessing. If you start with a rifle capable of 1 inch or better groups you will know when your skills are improving. Try a bolt action between 270 and 308, maybe a Savage.
 
For a first rifle, get a .22. You can learn all the fundamentals, have fun blowing through a couple of magazines at the range "just for fun" without worrying that you just blew half your paycheck, and a .22 will take down a surprising number of smaller game animals.

However, I'd suggest a Savage 64F or a Marlin Mod. 60 - try to go used, as they should be cheap and numerous (the Marlins, anyway) and the new ones suck - the Savage's safety is so stiff that it requires some real manhandling, and the hole that the cocking handle goes into to lock the bolt open doesn't seem to be big enough. On the Marlin, the synthetic stock makes $3 flashlights from Walmart look good, and I mean that.

You should be able to avoid this with older guns, and a Marlin 60 shouldn't run you more than $60-80 at a pawn shop.

Once you're ready for big-bore centerfires, I'd recommend a Mosin. Don't bother with the M44, it's heavy because it has an integral bayonet which is really cool but which you will never use for any practical application (unless you like hunting boar with a pike... hmm, gonna have to try that now) . Get a 91/30 or an M38 if you prefer them compact. If I could have one Mosin it'd be an M38 - they are light, handy, point and balance naturally and just as accurate as the 91/30s I have shot.

On the upside, the 91/30 comes with a detachable spike bayonet which is useful for pulling slowly out from your belt with a wild look in your eyes to make people go "whoooaaa." Extra cool points for yelling "They drew first blood!" while running around and flexing.
 
+1 on the lever-action .44 Mag as fitting most of your goals.

However, you also might consider getting a M1 Garand (CMP has them again, I've heard, and I think for around $800.)

.30-06 milsurp is still available and is quite inexpensive. The Garand is fun to shoot at targets. If you have a realistic assessment of a need for a CQB rifle, it can be used for HD. Depending on which state you're in, you might have to get a 5-round clip for hunting (not all states permit 8). It also offers a unique way to learn about rifle mechanics, if you like learning new things.

On the negative side, it's big and heavy and difficult to mount a scope on...yeah, the lever action's better. :)
 
I'm having a hard time deciding on what to get as my first rifle. Which do you suggest I look at based on what I will be using it for? I will use it for plinking, target shooting at range, hunting (biggest game being deer, but that's not 100%), and HD. What will be the most reliable, fun to shoot, and cheapest to shoot?

-Marlin 1894
-Marlin 336
-Mossberg 100ATR (any other bolt action hunting rifle)
-Saiga
-Military Surplus?


I say Saiga 7.62x39, here's why:

Plinking: Out of your choices, this will fire the cheapest centerfire ammo (except maybe the milsurp, but the milsurp is a no-go for other reasons read below). 7.62x39 is still relatively cheap compared to the others. And it also doesn't have shoulder-killing recoil.

Target shooting: The Saiga will not be the most accurate for target shooting, however, the Saiga is going to be pretty accurate (within 3moa), and that will beat out a few of your choices and tie a some others. You'll see that I'm often bashing the Saiga nuts on this forum for making insane 1moa claims. But, on the other hand, for it's 2-4moa (depending on ammo and rifle) accuracy, it is excellent. Very excellent. To be honest, when I am at the range, I see most of the rifles and actions that are suppose to be tack-drivers shooting groups equal to or larger than what I'm doing on an autoloader. Morale of the story? It will be good enough till you get better. Second morale of the story? Everyone's lever/milsurp that does 1 moa on the internet is really doing 3moa at the range at best. Because if everyone could be sub-moa shooters with iron sights at 100 or further, they'd be NRA Highpower champions in reality, but instead, they are internet paper-group shrinkers. Like in architecture, there's a scale. 3" = 1" :neener:

Hunting: It will serve well for this. Accurate enough and powerful enough for hunting. 7.62x39 is a lot like .30-30 and is no sloutch. This rifle can get utterly filthy out in the field and not fail you.

Home Defense: Here is where it clearly surpasses all the other choices. It is an autoloader - which gives it a huge advantage over the rest. That is first and foremost and plain and simple. It is also handier. Based on the AK action, it will be very reliable and robust. Definitely something you can depend on.

It is also the cheapest (exception milsurp). And cheapest to feed (exception milsurp chambered in 54R).

It best fits all critera without failing in any of them miserably. Not perfect in all categories except for home defense, but pretty good in most of them.

It also comes with a side rail. This allows you to buy a quick-detach side mount to mount optics. The cost of the rifle is low, and the mounts are not expensive. With a decent scope (like a Burris FFII used on Ebay for $130), it will make a formidable rifle. You will save a lot of money to buy ammo and whatever else you want. It also has a nice durable chrome lined barrel and chamber.

What will it not be? It won't be as pretty as some of the other choices.
 
go out and buy a .22 rifle and shoot it. My friend just bought a .22 Marlin bolt for ~$150 or less. When we went shooting this weekend it was the first one i grabbed for. it's just plain fun, accurate and on target right out of the box.

now, while you are shooting you will be picking the rifle apart about what you like and dont like. and you will get tired of the fact that the rifle is silent and has not kick. you will learn a lot of what you like and dont. then you'll be able to pick out the rifle you want. and you'll have 2 instead of 1.

beyond that, marlin lever guns ROCK.
 
I'd have to second the MN. It was my first and I fell in love with them. Just got an m38 the other day and haven't been able to put it down.
 
since you seem inclined to leveraction marlins,,,,

i suggest aquiring the 1894 in 44mag AND a m39 in 22rf.quality guns are a purchase you need only make once.if these two are taken care of they will
out last your gandchildren and give you a lifetime of pleasure.

learn to handload 44mag rounds and the 1894 will be just a few pennys more a shot than the 22lr.handloadings easy and fun.
 
If you don't have a .22, you NEED one. I've got five or six or something like that. I need to count 'em again. :D

Lessee

10/22 Ruger
597 Magnum Remington
512X Remington
AR7
M152 Mossberg

Guess that looks like five, but it includes a magnum. I'll probably get more in the future, though. .22s are bargains at gun shows and pawn shops.
 
I would suggest starting with a .22LR bolt action. The CZ 452 Special (aka Trainer) is a great place to start and can be had for under $250 new. They are tack drivers out of the box and will serve you well for years to come, as well as provide an inexpensive way to develop good basic skills. I love mine and would never part with it.

As a second step, I would give strong consideration to the Savage Model 12FV in .223 or .308. They are VERY accurate out of the box, the Accutrigger is great, and they are reasonable to purchase (a little over $400). That would give you a couple of great starter rifles that you could use for decades to come. I have one of each and am looking at getting more.
 
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Get an m44 or m91/30

For a first gun?

91/30 was my first gun. Doesnt have to be a .22 , while they are nice to start learning, some people dont need that big of a learning curve, or want to get something that has more practical applications for a first gun. Regardless:

I recomend getting a M1 Garand :D
 
The first gun I ever fired.. Don't know how young I was, but I was still watching airwolf on prime time (lol) was a .22 mag winchester lever action. Every now and again dad would take me out and bang off a shotgun or rifle of some such. My first "rifle" that I could call my own was/is my russian SKS, got it for christmas # 15, it's a family tradition. Your kid turns 15 he gets a gun, and dad knew the ban was coming when he picked it out.

Anyways, 22's are good for training and plinking, an SKS would be a decent starter and a good plinker for the rest of your life. As long as you know you're range ettiquet, and the do's and dont's without having to think about it (it should come natural).. Well, have at it. That's my two bits.
 
Wow, I didn't expect the numerous suggestions for a .22. I just looked and found the ammo to be cheap and it will teach me the fundamentals of shooting a rifle while having fun at the same time. I think I'm going to get a $150 or under .22LR and put a few hundred rounds through her and go from there.

I appreciate the suggestions, guys!
 
Dynasty,
If you like the lever actions, try the Henry. They make several 22s and they
will not break the bank.. Fun to shoot!
 
Loosehorse,

The Henry .22's I found were much higher than what I want to spend on a .22, but a lever action .22 would be my first choice.
 
My first rifle and only rifle so far is an AR 15. I purchased a Ciener .22 conversion for it for $130 so now I could pratice for cheap all day long plus have a more powerful rifle for HD and longer target shooting. I'm not a hunter so don't know how good .223 cal would be(not sure you could even hunt with an AR 15) I still want a .22 rifle but the AR with the .22 conversion is way fun...putting in my 30 round mag and rapid firing :evil:
 
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