TV show Alaska hunting question

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I have been watching a National Geographic channel show called the "Life Below Zero" (LBZ) where these folks live north of the artic circle how they hunt & trap for food. On hunting I noticed the weapon of choice seem to violate the conventional wisdom from here at THR.

One guy (Erik ?) was moose hunting but he was using an AR-15. I would think a .223 Rem. Is grossly inadequate for a moose? The other couple was Elk hunting and the Eskimo woman (Agness?) was using a Mossin-Nagant 7.62x54R, the herd of elk was running and she was attempting a running shot. They were pretty far away too, looked like 200-300 yds. Apparently she is a good shooter, she shot a running wolf at a pretty far distance in another episode. This flies againt what I read about the accuracy of a Mossin being a 4-5 moa at best.

Your opinion? Assessment?
 
I have been watching a National Geographic channel show called the "Life Below Zero" (LBZ) where these folks live north of the artic circle how they hunt & trap for food. On hunting I noticed the weapon of choice seem to violate the conventional wisdom from here at THR.

One guy (Erik ?) was moose hunting but he was using an AR-15. I would think a .223 Rem. Is grossly inadequate for a moose? The other couple was Elk hunting and the Eskimo woman (Agness?) was using a Mossin-Nagant 7.62x54R, the herd of elk was running and she was attempting a running shot. They were pretty far away too, looked like 200-300 yds. Apparently she is a good shooter, she shot a running wolf at a pretty far distance in another episode. This flies againt what I read about the accuracy of a Mossin being a 4-5 moa at best.

Your opinion? Assessment?
Suggest you head to the thread "Life below zero" and/or search posts by member "Caribou", AKA Chip Hailstone. He gives great "behind the scenes" recap!

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/life-below-zero/articles/chip-hailstone/
 
Thanks guys. I did a search under Caribou and read up the background story. Still a amazing shot over 300 yds with iron sight! Hat off to you Chip & Agnes!
 
^^^You beat me to it. She was shooting at caribou but a 7.62x54R is plenty of gun for elk as well. Basically a .30-06.
 
I know of numerous bears (black, polar, and grizzly), moose, and caribou knocked off by an AR-15 chambered in .223. The AR style rifles are really gaining in popularity in the Alaskan bush. I also have heard stories of bears and moose receiving multiple rounds from the same and escaping. A good friend of mine witnessed a native hunter cleanly kill a large polar bear with a .22 WMR.

I have personally used an AR-15 .223 to kill two caribou. It works on them, but I would not use it on bears or moose except in a true survival situation.
 
Cool! someones watching the show ~~LOL!!~~

Ok, lemme see.......Eric wasnt hunting Moose, he shot a yearling Caribou. We were hunting Cariboutoo.
Yes, we often shoot animals on the move, although Most usuall walking, Caribou are known as the Walker" and they wont be at 1;05 where they were at 1;00oclock, but sometimes running, its a matter of "carry through" just like shooting a Goose on the wing. For shots at animals and such that are still, a rested shot is always taken, you cant 'swing through' rested, but mostly it has to be understood that Wolves, Caribou and other animals do NOT stand there and let you shoot, especcially when you have taken a shot allready......our limit is 5 caribou perday, and we like to get 3 or 4 for the months eating, more when were looking at longer times between hunting (like dark Winter, when the sun is down from Nov to Jan) as well, they edit in "misses" to show how "tough' it is when the screen cant let you feel cold, fatiuge and such. They completely ignored the dozen or so Caribou we caught while "Wolfing', a week long hunt at that, compressed into 12 or so minutes.They try to hit the highlights, and the early episodes had us with 3 Caribou and showed he only getting one, and a hit on a Red Fox that was made into a "miss" , as we dismounted and theres the tree is in the background ~~LOL!!~~ (youll see me inna preview holding Mr. Fox up :D )
No shots were taken at moveing animals that wernt check up on (blood on snow is pretty clear) and we do mostly head shots, and with snowmachines, we easily track any wounded animals down.

The Wolf was one of two, she shot and hit the first one, we went down to see, and the Wolves had gone down to a creek head and were comming up the other side, so I persued and dispatched the wounded Wolf while the wife went after the other. The other ditched her in the rocks. I clearly stated that the Wolf was dead for an hour on the show, as dead Wolves can wait for us to get their brothers :D

BUT! , and this but is bigger than my Butt :D They are trying to get the 'story' across, and I give them an 8 outta 10 for at least sticking to the story, as well NOTHING is scripted at all. We flat refused to do such, as it would interfear with what we have to do...and thats worked out quite fine.

My opinion; a .223 placed correctly is good enough for the Moose. Placement is everything. I preferr the 7.62X54r for its accuracy and range, something it has over a .223 with our open rolling Tundra, and the Wolf shot was a good demonstration of that , but a .223 or .30 cal hole through the Heart, lungs or brains is still Death as we know it.

The Mosin is a VERY accurate rifle, its the ammo thats gotta be chosen with care, as well as the person shooting has to have 'skills'. God surplus is Czeck silver tip, as its accurate and tumbles to great effect, while others , we avoid, are not so consistent and accurate. .223 in a store is 40$ a box of 20 around here, whilst the wife has some cases of Czeck, bulk buy, 68$ a case of 800 7 years and 12 cases later. As well, shes been buying Soviet "EXTRA" and EXTRA MATCH" bythe case of 360rds in a case, used in her PU scoped 91/30, also exceedingly accurate ammo.

The M-39 is the hight of Mosin Nagantness. The M-39 my wife carries has been on every trip she's taken for almost 11 yaers, its not pretty anymore, but the bore is pristine.

I'm glad ya like the show, we keep it as "real" as we can, then the editors smuch it into 13 minutes..... ~~LOL!!~~
 
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I too have seen the "show", Caribou, though it looks more like life unfolding,
It must be quite a bit harder to hunt the food you need with a camera crew tagging along!
Kudos to both your wife and yourself, for not shooting them! Also, thanks very much for sharing here at The High Road! Best wishes, STW
 
Hunting with 4 extra, not so covert people sporting a huge black camera or two makes Caribou hunting go from 50-100 yards to an easy 200 yards+ and moveing away.

Might be that 6 (!!!!!!) snowmachines arent so stelthy , either, and my Wolverine trap sets haveing the crew piss (unknown to me, I was busy) while stopped to film the 'sets" I was makeing didnt make for good trapping, either. actually, I just refused to move and reset any of the 6 cubby sets I made, told 'em to GTH, I was done, so we just kept on shooting Caribou to make our load and they discontenued the Trapping filming. It aint all easy, for sure.

Now, I will say.......This Winter, weve got them trained, and proper!

THAT is THE hardest part of makeing this show, so I'll say you nailed that on the head, quite well.
 
I watched the show Agnes was shooting the mosin. I was really impressed.... I'm glad it's not scripted, because shootin irons on an old war horse is almost a lost art. That was some good shootin!:)
 
Hey Caribou,

Thanks for replying. I enjoy watching the show, not just the hunting part but also the episode on how you catch fish under the ice!! You mentioned on the show that you learned from Agnes' family where they've perfected the technique over the tribe history. The show is very informative and that's another reason I like to watch.

You married a good woman! Agnes can do so many things and do them well. This compare some women in the lower 48 what they do in making dinner is to make reservation!

Before watching your show, I was getting a bit discouraged about Mossin Nagant. I have 2, a M44 and a 91/30, I bought them because I like that bit of history with them. But the discussions on the internet about their "lack of accuracy" had me question their utility. Agnes' ability to shoot them accuracy is very encouraging. I profess that I will never get to be as good as she, but knowing the rifle can do its part motivates me.

look forward to your next episode!
 
Your 91/30 and some good ammo will give you a smile, Propforce. I do not like shooting the carbines 'BAM!' because of my ear, but the longer barrel'd Mosin's "Chug!' is easily bareable, as well as the additional weight. The M-39's are beefy and strong, have plenty of weight and take up alott of felt recoil.

My sons and oldest daughter all tool around with 91/30's Mosin's as well, and so do many of the neighbors. They see the economy and like the reliability and most of all the accuracy (most shooting starts at 100 yards or less, with out a camera team along) because only accurate rifles are worth takeing along. During the filming , our oldest son Doug was along as a "safety" because he knew the country there and the camera team had to take it slow and easy, the son was filling his sled as he went :D Takeing a long o'l 91/30 or an M-39 along on a snow machine is a bit tough on gun and man, as it rides bungied to the runner/cowling to keep from beatimngthe person, smashing up the insulation on a parka at cold temps and to keep a fella from injury in case of crashing. If we do carry a rifle on our body, its across the chest, so we can roll with the rifle , rather than brake the bodys back bone, with the bonus that snow dosent accummulate on your frontside , but gathers onyo0ur backside whilst riding over hill and dale...... I tryed useing a Caribone a few years back, but when it came to takeing the shot, you have to stop, the advantage of a short rifle ends when you get off and shoot.......... my antique M-39 was the only solution, becuase it was so very accurate......
 
Caribou, I am watching your "show" as I type. You, the wife, and children are going out to "club" some rabbits, What caliber clubs do you use......LOL!
 
Caribou; love this high tech stuff, never in a million years would I have thought I might actually get to say hi to folks like yourselves. Too cool. JUst by way of asking, whats the elevation around your area?
 
There are some Roosevelt elk in SE, but no majestic herds swarm across the tundra. But the 'bou taste better than you might expect so don't count them out.
 
Elevation here is about 200 feet, were in the Kobuk River Delta, with 15 exits to the Sea, and many many slews and lakes inbetween, we are where the River Meets the Sea.

Weven been lookin' for a Moose or Seal inthe river, stacking firewoods and getting a few more Salmon up and then, "When" the Caribou arrive, hopefully head up river and lance a bunch, so we'll get good ammount of skins and meats up for the freeze up and dark Winter. were loseing light each day as we decend to Winter, but its all good :D

Fall in teh Arctic is a bit busy.
 
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