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Two good guns or one awesome one?
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Get what fits you instead of what we say or a magazine says.
If the HK points naturally for you the others won't. If the XD fits the HK won't. If neither fit, look at a CZ clone and see if it fits.
Take what's left over and spend it on training.
If the HK points naturally for you the others won't. If the XD fits the HK won't. If neither fit, look at a CZ clone and see if it fits.
Take what's left over and spend it on training.
As others have said, try then buy.
That said, I own both an XD45 and a Taurus 617. I'd buy the XD again. I probably wouldn't buy the Taurus again, but not for reliability reasons. The 617 doesn't fit a good niche. Because of the 7-shot capacity it's too wide for convenient CCW, and the 2" barrel is a CCW length. If I were going to buy something in that general size/weight class I'd probably get a Ruger SP101 with a 3" barrel.
That said, if you like the 617 it's a decent little revolver. With a house full of Ruger, S&W, Browning and SIG pistols, that 617 is my nightstand gun.
That said, I own both an XD45 and a Taurus 617. I'd buy the XD again. I probably wouldn't buy the Taurus again, but not for reliability reasons. The 617 doesn't fit a good niche. Because of the 7-shot capacity it's too wide for convenient CCW, and the 2" barrel is a CCW length. If I were going to buy something in that general size/weight class I'd probably get a Ruger SP101 with a 3" barrel.
That said, if you like the 617 it's a decent little revolver. With a house full of Ruger, S&W, Browning and SIG pistols, that 617 is my nightstand gun.
I have learned from experience to get what you want now because you'll most probably own it later. Life is short, get the gun you really want while you can still enjoy it. Get the H&K and post plenty of pictures.
I have a USP Tactical 45, it's a fantastic pistol the match trigger makes a huge difference between it and a normal USP. Out of the box it's trigger is as well as my "well loved" USP 40 that I had.
If you really want the USP get it, because your are going to buy it eventually.
If you really want the USP get it, because your are going to buy it eventually.
Thanks for all your advice people. I think Devilnut summed up the conclusion that i came to
I just couldn't justify buying a single expensive firearm at this point in my life (granted, i've been saving up but it's still like 8% of my yearly income, lol). I will be graduating from college at the end of next spring and i'll probably be getting a well paid job that may allow more liberal use of money. I also don't know what state i'll be living in, and the USP 45 Tactical might be illegal, like it is in Massachusetts, where my parents live. It really was pretty impulsive for me to think of buying it in the first place.
Against what most people said, I decided to go with the Taurus 617. I mentioned that I use a wheelchair in another thread and that I was interested in a CCW. I went with the 617 because
A) My wheelchair offers me unique opportunities to hide weapons that might be a little bit bigger than would be comfortable for other people.
B) It has the 7 round capacity that i wanted so much
C) It was DIRT cheap. So, even though Taurus can be hit or miss, I decided to GAMBOOOOOOL! A lot of people have great success with Taurus and all their weapons are parts and labor guaranteed anyway. If it still proves to be unreliable at the range, I'll have to get something else because reliable CCWs are crucial.
I'll keep you updated on how it goes.
I'm still up in the air with the semi-auto though. i need a place to try pistols out but my resources are a bit limited. i have secured a chance to try the Sprinfield XD series though. I'm not sure which one yet.
I just couldn't justify buying a single expensive firearm at this point in my life (granted, i've been saving up but it's still like 8% of my yearly income, lol). I will be graduating from college at the end of next spring and i'll probably be getting a well paid job that may allow more liberal use of money. I also don't know what state i'll be living in, and the USP 45 Tactical might be illegal, like it is in Massachusetts, where my parents live. It really was pretty impulsive for me to think of buying it in the first place.
Against what most people said, I decided to go with the Taurus 617. I mentioned that I use a wheelchair in another thread and that I was interested in a CCW. I went with the 617 because
A) My wheelchair offers me unique opportunities to hide weapons that might be a little bit bigger than would be comfortable for other people.
B) It has the 7 round capacity that i wanted so much
C) It was DIRT cheap. So, even though Taurus can be hit or miss, I decided to GAMBOOOOOOL! A lot of people have great success with Taurus and all their weapons are parts and labor guaranteed anyway. If it still proves to be unreliable at the range, I'll have to get something else because reliable CCWs are crucial.
I'll keep you updated on how it goes.
I'm still up in the air with the semi-auto though. i need a place to try pistols out but my resources are a bit limited. i have secured a chance to try the Sprinfield XD series though. I'm not sure which one yet.
Good luck with that Taurus. I have owned several and still own a couple and think they are great guns for the money. Hopefully you will have the same luck as most of us. You may want to look at the Taurus PT series Millenium Pro's. Best buy for the money, right now IMO
Get the one you can shoot best. I love my USPc and it fit my hands well. But it took me a lot of practice to shoot it even half way decent. If I don't concentrate and think about my grip I'm lucky to hit paper. I bought a sig 226 and first time out shot it as well as I do my USPc. The 1911 is like an extension of my hand and I shot it best of all. Now, as much as I love my USPc I don't shoot it much because I'm better with the other two. Guess which one cost me the most and just sits in the safe? Get the one that you shoot the best and practice. It's much more fun when you can hit what your aiming at.
Keep in mind the HK is a big gun and might not fit your hand.
Keep in mind the HK is a big gun and might not fit your hand.
I own upwards of fifty guns. When I ge back from deplyomen, I'll be selling a least a dozen of them and purchasing six or eight more exotice pieces. The sales of he first batch won' cover the cost of the second, but it has gotten me to put things in perspective. If you have only a few guns and need more variety, pick up a couple, less expensive guns. Realize that these will be more likely to leave your possession in the future. As for me, I have a lot of variety, so I will keep my Glocks, my Smith revolvers and my Beretta shotguns, but I will be trading up for some new rifles and combat shotguns.
If your heart is set on the USP, get it. If you want variety, go for more guns. Just realize that if you buy one gun you really like, it makes it a lot easier to wai for the next purchase, and you won't go squandering your money and losing out in trade-ins and sales.
If your heart is set on the USP, get it. If you want variety, go for more guns. Just realize that if you buy one gun you really like, it makes it a lot easier to wai for the next purchase, and you won't go squandering your money and losing out in trade-ins and sales.
Have you looked at the Taurus PT 24/7 in .45? It's the poor man's H&K!!! Just doesn't have the name recognition (or the accuracy, but it's decent) I got one in 9mm, dead reliable. Also have a Taurus model 85 .38 special. Now that is a real gem. It will take +p all day long (carry Golden Sabers +p) in mine. Trigger is a dream. Put the Hogue grips on it (I got big paws) and it is perfect.
And did anyone mention, H&K hates you?
And did anyone mention, H&K hates you?
Not that you need to do what I would do 
But given your situation, I'd take the "two good guns" option.
- If one breaks, or if you decide to have some sort of upgrade done to it, you have the other.
- You can have guns in different calibers; some calibers are cheaper than others to shoot, and variety is the spice of life.
- since you're looking at getting two different guns rather than a matching pair, you get to practice more with different gun types and be instantly comfortable with both.
- If you go shooting with a friend without his own gun to contribute, you can let him use the more accurate one as a polite host
- you get to learn more thoroughly what you like and don't like, as a guide to future purchases.
If you were 99 years old, and had an appointment w/ Jack Kevorikian (out on parole, I think), I'd probably say get the One Awesome Gun, a lot of ammo, and some blister pads for your trigger finger. But I'm guessing this won't be your last-ever gun purchase ...
timothy
But given your situation, I'd take the "two good guns" option.
- If one breaks, or if you decide to have some sort of upgrade done to it, you have the other.
- You can have guns in different calibers; some calibers are cheaper than others to shoot, and variety is the spice of life.
- since you're looking at getting two different guns rather than a matching pair, you get to practice more with different gun types and be instantly comfortable with both.
- If you go shooting with a friend without his own gun to contribute, you can let him use the more accurate one as a polite host
- you get to learn more thoroughly what you like and don't like, as a guide to future purchases.
If you were 99 years old, and had an appointment w/ Jack Kevorikian (out on parole, I think), I'd probably say get the One Awesome Gun, a lot of ammo, and some blister pads for your trigger finger. But I'm guessing this won't be your last-ever gun purchase ...
timothy
I guess it depends on what kind of personality you have. Me, personally, I know I will never be happy settling for anything less than exactly what I want. If I wanted the HK and bought something else, I know I'd eventually end up getting the HK at a later date. Besides, once I pick out a favorite in my collection the rest of my guns don't get much range time.
Thanks for everyone's input. I really do appreciate it and many of you make some very good points. This won't be my last gun purchase, and like I said before, I'm a college student and an H&K USP Tac is roughly 8% of my yearly income. It can wait.
I really like nice things but I'm also practical. I think I can get just as excited about a really good CZ right now without feeling like I'm depriving myself of anything. For my semi, i've narrowed it down to the following CZ models (I know, I change my mind a lot).
a really nice 97B .45 acp with a 10 round capacity. I like the power of a .45
a really nice SP01 9mm with a ridiculous 19 round capacity. I like the price of 9mm
I could save about $70 with this 75B with a 15 round capacity 9mm though.
I really like nice things but I'm also practical. I think I can get just as excited about a really good CZ right now without feeling like I'm depriving myself of anything. For my semi, i've narrowed it down to the following CZ models (I know, I change my mind a lot).
a really nice 97B .45 acp with a 10 round capacity. I like the power of a .45
a really nice SP01 9mm with a ridiculous 19 round capacity. I like the price of 9mm
I could save about $70 with this 75B with a 15 round capacity 9mm though.
CZ, no deprivation
CZs are really nice guns -- I bet you won't feel too shortchanged
The grip on the 75 reminds me a a lot of a Browning HP, or even (though at the wrong scale) of a Makarov -- nicely hand-filling, at least for me.
Re: 9mm v. .45 -- the same dilemma strikes me; when I'm paying for ammo and renting a gun, I tend to prefer more (or at least cheaper) rounds of 9mm. Once I am set up for reloading, I think I'll do a lot more .45
timothy
CZs are really nice guns -- I bet you won't feel too shortchanged
The grip on the 75 reminds me a a lot of a Browning HP, or even (though at the wrong scale) of a Makarov -- nicely hand-filling, at least for me.
Re: 9mm v. .45 -- the same dilemma strikes me; when I'm paying for ammo and renting a gun, I tend to prefer more (or at least cheaper) rounds of 9mm. Once I am set up for reloading, I think I'll do a lot more .45
timothy
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Once any handgun gets over $800 I start thinking maybe a rifle isa better buy.
Quantity has a quality of its very own
With two guns you have a spare or one for a buddy to watch your back when the SHTF.
My range favorites tend to end up being my inexpensive "value priced" guns -- I've always been very happy with the way they've performed and held up thru high round counts. Over 10,000 rounds thru my $300 RIA with only a single $5 part replacement at ~3500 rounds.
--wally.
Quantity has a quality of its very own
With two guns you have a spare or one for a buddy to watch your back when the SHTF.
My range favorites tend to end up being my inexpensive "value priced" guns -- I've always been very happy with the way they've performed and held up thru high round counts. Over 10,000 rounds thru my $300 RIA with only a single $5 part replacement at ~3500 rounds.
--wally.
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