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Two-stage AR-15 Trigger - Any downside?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ArmedBear, Sep 9, 2008.

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  1. ArmedBear

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    With an assemblage of parts lying about, the only thing keeping me from having two whole AR's is another LPK.

    I'm thinking of getting a 2-stage for this lower.

    The other has a standard Stag LPK in it, and frankly it works fine (a .22LR upper is a fun substitute for a trigger job -- it gets pretty smooth after a few thousand rounds:)). But I figure I might as well have my two lowers set up differently, so I can pick and choose.

    Apart from the price difference, any reason to get a basic LPK and NOT to get, say, a RRA 2-stage?
     
  2. Creature

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    I bought a RRA 2-stage (for $88 shipped) for my AR...and I have never looked back.
     
  3. RockyMtnTactical

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    What is the true purpose of this AR15?
     
  4. ArmedBear

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    Most likely, this lower will end up with an A2 buttstock, under a 20" HBAR upper for target shooting, maybe some hunting, and the lower with the standard trigger will end up with an M4 buttstock, under a 16" carbine upper.

    Might depend on what I end up liking.

    Of course, building/shooting AR's in California takes a bit of finagling, so it's not so easy to borrow and try out 10 different ones to see what I like.
     
  5. strat81

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    The common wisdom is that any deviation from the mil-spec trigger group reduces overall reliability.

    For hunting and target shooting where it's not a life or death situation if you get light strikes, it's fine.

    For a serious use rifle (duty, HD), I'd stick with mil-spec.

    Some of this is also dependent on the type of ammo you use.
     
  6. cliffy

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    The AR-15 Trigger

    As with all great trigger pulls, it should surprise you when it fires. It should fire with 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 pounds of finger force. It should be crisp, without dreaded creep. It should be single-stage, yet some people can actually adapt to two-stage triggers. 5 1/2 to 7 pound trigger pulls are ludicrius and pin-point accuracy total destroyers. Whether AR-15 or .223 Remington target model, PROPER trigger-pull is crucial to down-range accuracy. I've met up with too many heavy, sloppy trigers in my time, directly affecting my inherent accuracy. cliffy
     
  7. Tarvis

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    I have very little 2 stage experience, but my buddies M1A Socom 16 has a really good 2 stage trigger in it that takes getting used to, but seems to work very well once you acclimate yourself. I'd say it's definitely not a hunting trigger, but good for targets and possibly squirrels.

    Strat81 had some good thoughts, but I don't know if they really pertain to a 2 stage, specifically the RRA 2 stage. The springs are what will make you get a light strike and I don't know what spring setup the RRA 2 stager has, but most likely it is the standard trigger springs which can be swapped out for heavier or lighter springs.

    +1.
     
  8. mr.scott

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    I love my RRA trigger. All future builds will have the RRA match trigger.
     
  9. Walkalong

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    I like the RRA 2 stage trigger. I put a 2 stage trigger in my AK. Nothing wrong with a GOOD single stage trigger.
     
  10. taliv

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    simply put, the more screws and adjustments, the less reliable it is. Even so, it's mostly the "match" part and not the "two-stage" part that makes it less reliable. You can buy non-adjustable two-stage triggers (pretty reliable), and you can buy adjustable match single stage triggers (less reliable).


    a hunting gun should NOT have a light trigger.




    The point of a two-stage trigger is that you can have most of the weight in the first stage and a lighter 2nd stage. that means a SAFE total overall weight, while still having a very light stage immediately preceding the 'bang'

    here's what the USAMU says about surprises
    http://www.odcmp.org/1207/default.asp?page=USAMU_TC
    (granted, that may just be a gratuitous poke in the eye to long-standing USMC doctrine, but the point should be well-taken)

    I don't really know what you mean by
     
  11. cliffy

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    Two-stage Triggers

    The first stage of a two-stage trigger takes up SLOP. then offers a Crisp second-stage if one is lucky. Americans, in general, are not used to European two-stage triggers. We, Americans, expect a crisp only-stage trigger-pull. We, do not require a first stage, unless we become forceably-adapted to such folly. What is the possible advantage to a five-pound-plus trigger pull? Stumbling in the woods with one's safety off, may be the only reason a stiff trigger might be adventageous. cliffy
     
  12. W.E.G.

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    They cost a LOT more than that now.

    I have two RRA triggers.
    Very beneficial for accuracy work.
     
  13. browningguy

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    I have an RRA 2 stage match, a JP 2 stage, and two McCormicks, wouldn't have anything but a two stage in my target rifles.
     
  14. Canuck-IL

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    There's still one vendor that sells them for $88.

    A REALLY nice RRA 2-stage is one that has been prepped by White Oak. I have one of each, regular RRA and a WOA tuned and, yes, you can tell the difference with eyes closed.
    /Bryan
     
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    I have two ar's with the RRA two stage triggers and they have worked perfectly and much to my satisfaction for me. I am not very familiar with other triggers though.
     
  16. VARifleman

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    Folly!? I'm more accurate with a two stage than a single stage!
     
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