Tx Governor Perry Signs ALL Gun Protection Laws!

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i thought there was also a bill that would allow carry of a loaded pistol in your car as legal and exempt from having to have a CHL? i.e. the vehicle is an extension of your home?

i guess it was either my imagination or it didn't get signed...yet....?

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House Bill 322 (Hupp) which reduces all fees for a concealed handgun license for military members and veterans by 50 percent and lowers the age from 21 to 18 for members of the military or veterans to obtain a concealed handgun license.

per federal law you still cannot yellow sheet a handgun to someone under 21. state law even prohibits a private person from selling a person under 21 years of age a handgun.....?
 
Spreadfire Arms said:
i thought there was also a bill that would allow carry of a loaded pistol in your car as legal and exempt from having to have a CHL? i.e. the vehicle is an extension of your home?
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Conceptually, it seems like you're referring to HB 823, which now defines "traveling" by statute, and nothing more. There seems to be a bunch of opinions on how the statute will be prctically applied, both in the field...and in court. On it's surface, it looks to be an improvement.


We'll see.
 
HB 823 may be an improvement over the old statute, but I'm kinda disappointed in it. Sounds like it leaves a lot of room for interpretation. I've long considered getting the CCL just so I could have a weapon in the car without any hassles, then thought the new bill would take care of that. Looks like it may not. :(
 
We'll trade you our Governor, a pair of Senators and a big city mayor for your Governor, even if for only a couple of days. You don't have to 'em send back at the end, keep 'em as a present and with our gratitiude.
 
HB 823 may be an improvement over the old statute, but I'm kinda disappointed in it. Sounds like it leaves a lot of room for interpretation. I've long considered getting the CCL just so I could have a weapon in the car without any hassles, then thought the new bill would take care of that. Looks like it may not.
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I'm not sure what you're seeing in the bill that makes you think this. It seems pretty clear to me.

The laws that govern the unlawful carrying of a handgun are nonapplicable if you are "traveling". "Traveling" used to mean whatever the jurisdiction you were in wanted it to mean. Now its meaning is very well defined. You are "traveling" if you are in a private vehicle, you aren't breaking any major laws, you aren't a gang member, you have the gun out of plain view, and you aren't otherwise prohibited (i.e. you are a felon or have a DV conviction).

It is most definitely a step up.
 
I guess everybody is equal under the law except for old people and military members and veterans who are more equal then others.
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I can only speak for the active military folks, but since we work on federal installations where CHLs are not valid and spend (at least I do) an average of 12 hours a day on said installation and 6 hours sleeping, we are still paying more per usable hour for our CHLs than people with no such restrictions.
Hooray, I'm going to get my CHL while I'm in Texas for some training! Though I think the CHL should be 18 everywhere (actually, having a little sister, I think it should start at 13 for females, but that's another story) at least this eliminates the "I'm old enough to serve my country but not CCW?" argument in Texas. Partially.

Better than nothing, I suppose.
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Check with your state laws before you start packing concealed in AZ. The reciprocity bill may not count for 18 year-olds in your state, although you will be able to carry while in Texas. However, since you will probably be quartered on post and have no place to keep a firearm except an arms room (and it is a pain in the butt to get them out if you are storing them there), you are probably better off saving your money if AZ won't allow you to carry. Unless you just want one for cool points. Hate to burst your bubble like that, sorry.
 
i suppose i'll find out the scoop soon. im taking the once-a-year CHL Instructor School in TX the first week of August. i'm sure this will be covered.
 
A question about HB 823? Is the gun to be carried concealed (under the seat/ in the glove compartment)? Does this go into effect Sept.1?
 
from what it sounds like there is no amendment to the law that allows carrying of a loaded pistol in your vehicle without a valid CHL in Texas.

the "travelling" exception is still questionable as to if this applies or not.

DISCLAIMER: i'm not a lawyer so i don't know if it's wrong or right. :(
 
per federal law you still cannot yellow sheet a handgun to someone under 21. state law even prohibits a private person from selling a person under 21 years of age a handgun.....?
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An 18 year old can buy a handgun from a private party in Texas.

Texas Penal Code § 46.06. UNLAWFUL TRANSFER OF CERTAIN WEAPONS.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person:
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(2) intentionally or knowingly sells, rents, leases, or gives or offers to sell, rent, lease, or give to any child younger than 18 years any firearm, club, or illegal knife;
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(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(2) that the transfer was to a minor whose parent or the person having legal custody of the minor had given written permission for the sale or, if the transfer was other than a sale, the parent or person having legal custody had given effective consent.
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from what it sounds like there is no amendment to the law that allows carrying of a loaded pistol in your vehicle without a valid CHL in Texas.

the "travelling" exception is still questionable as to if this applies or not.
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It's there. H.B. 823.

It applies starting 9/1/05.
 
"It is remarkable that I can't find anyhing about this on the TV news or in the paper."

Some things never change. Dead silence was always good news when it came to gun legislation. It meant the anti gun bills had changed and, now that we have pro-gun legislation, It means that the pro gun bills made it through.

There were probably editorials preaching against it in our local Red Fishwrapper but dead silence when it went into effect. You used to have to wait for two months for the gun magazines to come out to find out the details. Now, we can get the big news on the forums- along with a lot of psychedelic interpretations.
 
mec-

Because of the publication schedule, "Gun Week" will probably have the first "official" gun magazine data.

You can read some of it at their Website www.gunweek.com This issue should be covered soon.

"Gun Week" also gives much more space to legislative material than do other gun rags.

Lone Star
 
It makes sense that if one can carry at home (or any property under one's control) and in one's car, then a CHL isn't as necessary.
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Right, and this is because the only times we are likely to encounter trouble are when we are in our homes or vehicles?

s to active and recently retired or honorably discharged veterans, it makes sense to allow them to skip the weapons qualification if they qualified in the military on firearms.
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Strange, many military folks never get sidearms training. How to handle an M16 isn't the same as a handgun. Even cops who want to get a CHL have to do the shooting qualification even though they may qualify every quarter, half year, or year with a handgun as part of being a LEO.
 
Can someone clarify...can have a gun in the car but can it be loaded & within reach?...can it be concealed (under seat/in glove box)?...or does it have to be in plain view?
 
"mec-

Because of the publication schedule, "Gun Week" will probably have the first "official" gun magazine data.

You can read some of it at their Website www.gunweek.com This issue should be covered soon."

Gunweek also has the good fortune to have Jim Taylor on board.
 
DonNikmare said:
Can someone clarify...can have a gun in the car but can it be loaded & within reach?...can it be concealed (under seat/in glove box)?...or does it have to be in plain view?
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It must be concealed. That provision was added as a Senate amendment.
 
I said:
It makes sense that if one can carry at home (or any property under one's control) and in one's car, then a CHL isn't as necessary.
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Right, and this is because the only times we are likely to encounter trouble are when we are in our homes or vehicles?
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When I took my concealed handgun class here in Texas, there were two older gentlemen who stated that they only wanted a CHL so that they could carry when they took their business deposits to the bank. There was one recent immigrant from Mexico that wanted a CHL so that she could have a gun at home. There are many people who have no desire to carry everywhere every day. I agree with you that we should all carry all the time, but some don't. This bill cuts back some of the legal kudzu that has infringed on our rights. That is a Good Thing.

Weapons qualification? Shoot a total of 50 rounds a 3, 7, and 15 yds without shooting someone else or yourself and you're good to go. Of the fifteen or so folks in my class, all had qualified without even firing at the 15 yd distance. As far as I am concerned, it was just a formality.

Again, the fewer restrictions and less money required for anyone to carry a gun, the better in my opinion. I don't care if it is a geezer or Gomer Pyle. It's a step in the right direction.
 
Strange, many military folks never get sidearms training. How to handle an M16 isn't the same as a handgun. Even cops who want to get a CHL have to do the shooting qualification even though they may qualify every quarter, half year, or year with a handgun as part of being a LEO.
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:rolleyes: It was about the most worthless "training" in terms of firearms handling, safety or shooting that I have ever experienced. All-in-all, the course could have been cut down to about half the time and, as mentioned, previously, my 93 year old, blind father-in-law could have passed the qualification.
 
I'd like to see a Texas duplicate of the law that Jeb recently signed in FL, protecting all of those who make a good shoot in ANY place that they have a right to be at that moment. 823 doesn't matter much for me, as I have a CHL, but it'd be nice to have a law that'd protect me from being jailed - and then having to prove my innocence, etc. at very great expense and with enormous stress.

823 seems to be a step in the right direction, but we've got further to go.
 
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