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U.S. Army Rangers > Why the FN SCAR?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Hold My Own, Dec 9, 2009.

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  1. Hold My Own

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    By now, it's not really news anymore that the U.S. Army Rangers now use the FN SCAR.

    What I don't know however, is why? I think I seem to recall the Army saying they just wanted something new, but is there any other reason behind this?
     
  2. Country_boy_88

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    because it won the US SOCOM competition started in 2003.

    Its multiple variations and chambering operations will lead the way into a truely multifunction assault rifle:D
     
  3. strambo

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    I guess because they are the lowest tier SOCOM unit and have the budget to afford them.
     
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    Wow, I didnt know a mainstream unit was using them now. Ill have to ask my old Army buddy, he's now a Green Beret what he is using.
     
  5. Hold My Own

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    Thanks you guys. I didn't realize the FN SCAR was so versatile. There's even one chambered for the 7.62x39 :eek:

    I seem to recall the M4, the HK XM8, and the HK 416 all being in competition but not the SCAR. Are there any REAL advantages that the SCAR has over the M4? I can't seem to find any.

    I wonder if they're changing from the M14/M24's to the SCAR chambered in .308...? :confused:

    C-Grunt, here's a picture of the Army with the SCAR.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/1stbat75thregSCAR.jpg
     
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    HMO-

    The guy in the foreground has a broke one! (The folding stock makes that thing lots shorter than an M4.)

    ECS
     
  7. Al Thompson

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    HMO, I have read elsewhere that the 7.62 version is under evaluation for just that purpose - replacing the M14.
     
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    Because it looks FN cool, you got an FN problem with that?

    :)
     
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    I can't blame them for wanting a piston-driven gun.
     
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    does someone have a pic of SBR form?
     
  11. Coronach

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    The SCAR has numerous on-paper advantages over the M4. Whether or not it is worth the $$$ to upgrade is another question. It can fold its stock, it is piston-driven, it is rapidly reconfigurable, it is multicaliber and it SHOULD be more reliable and durable.

    We'll see.

    Mike
     
  12. david_the_greek

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    held one the other day in a local shop and it sure was cool... not for the 3000-4000 they wanted for it though :-( WAAAAYYYY too many other toys I could buy for that money. I've heard criticisms of the stocks failing, anyone else hear of this?
     
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    i haven't heard they're failing, but i think the USMC is getting a fixed-stock version. anybody who's ever spent time around riflemen could have seen that coming
     
  14. Suwannee Tim

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    One advantage of the SCAR is the operating handle is on the left front and can be actuated with the left hand without taking the rifle off the shoulder, the eyes off the sights or the right hand off the pistol grip and trigger. Same thing for a leftie when the gun is in a left hand config. This is something the snake eaters really like, or so I read. This gun has, in so far as possible the best of everything with no serious flaws. No buffer in the butt stock so the entire stock can fold. No hot, dirty gas piped into the action. Ergonomic, modular, ambidextrous, adaptable in the field, accurate, durable, reliable and easily mass produced. Other than that, it's junk.:D I'm going to get one or two when the price moderates a bit. I'm used to paying too much for plastic FN guns so it will be ok.:D
     
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    Why does the Marine Corps want the fixed stock?
     
  16. taliv

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    the marines have a saying that is somewhat dated now, but still appropriate... "200 years of tradition unhampered by progress"


    btw, i've had the opportunity to shoot two of them now, and i like them a lot. 20 years from now, when the prices come down and when parts are as easy to find as they are for ARs, I might even like them better than an AR
     
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    I wonder how the ACR compares to the scar. Anything I've seen from magpul seems engineered to the T
     
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    US Army Rangers are under the command of US SOCOM.

    US SOCOM adopted the FN SCAR to replace the M16/M4 system.

    The FN SCAR-L is designated as the Mk 16 Mod 0 and the FN SCAR-H is designated as the Mk 17 Mod 0.
     
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    I really want one but can't swing the 3K for one right now.
     
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    I'm surprised this happened but I think it only extends to the rangers, the marines just decided to go with the knights armament ar10 .308 as far as I know, slowly phasing the m14 out of service, and someone just ordered a huge amount of ar's, it was in one of the rifleman mags recently. But if you want to know why the FN won? Winning these things rarely has to do with merit. I think FN coughs up a lot of crap designs mainly the FN2000 assualt rifle of the future, the p90, and anything revolving around that ridiculous 5.7 round. But the military is getting a lot of stuff from them right now so I think they are prefering to go with a known manufacturing that they have a relationship with. It seems like a good design but I recall when I was interested in seeing what the military might go with next, the magpul masada seemed a bit better.
     
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