U.S. 'Correctional Population' Hits New High

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Percocet, Codeine, Ketamine, Morphine, Oxy-Contin, Valium, Vicodin, etc, etc, etc, are all legal yet people still commit crimes to get them.

I wouldn't call them "legal", they require a doctor's prescription for an adult to obtain them.

No, I don't think an end to drug prohibition will end crime. I think it will help the police to fight real crime as it will free up resources to do this. They will also regain alot of respect back from the communities making their jobs a whole lot easier.

But yea, I get the message, cigarettes are aiding Al-Qaeda. Mmmhmm.
 
Well W9, since you are skeptical here is the whole text of that article from MSNBC:

Cigarette smuggling linked to terrorism - Huge profits, low penalties make it attractive as source of funding

Smugglers with ties to terrorist groups are acquiring millions of dollars from illegal cigarette sales and funneling the cash to organizations such as al Qaeda and Hezbollah, federal law enforcement officials say, prompting a nationwide crackdown on black market tobacco.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has more than 300 open cases of illicit cigarette trafficking -- including several with terrorist links -- up from only a handful five years ago, ATF sources said.

"This is a major priority for us," said Michael Bouchard, assistant director of the ATF. "The deeper we dig into these cases, the more ties to terrorism we're discovering."

The lucrative trafficking of cigarettes, known as cigarette diversion, is a simple scheme but difficult to stop, law enforcement officials say. The traffickers purchase a large volume of cigarettes in states where the tax is low, such as Virginia and North Carolina, transport them up Interstate 95 to states such as Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey and then sell them at a discount without paying the higher cigarette taxes in those states.

With huge profits -- and low penalties for arrest and conviction -- illicit cigarette trafficking now has begun to rival drug trafficking as a funding choice for terrorist groups, said William Billingslea, an ATF senior intelligence analyst who has studied the issue extensively.

Although black market cigarette sales have been around for decades, the link to suspected terrorist groups is a new and growing phenomenon.

"The schemes provide terrorists millions of dollars which can be used to purchase firearms and explosives to use against the United States and others," said ATF Director Carl J. Truscott, who was appointed to head the agency two months ago after 22 years in the Secret Service.

Links with Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda
Several major cases of illicit cigarette trafficking with terrorist links have involved the purchase of cigarettes in Virginia and are currently under investigation, federal law enforcement sources said, adding that there are other cases nationally with links between the traffickers and Hamas, Hezbollah and al Qaeda.

"The money is so lucrative," Billingslea said.

In New York City, for example, where the combined state and city tax on cigarettes is $3 a pack, a carton can sell for about $75. The trafficker can buy a carton for about $20 in Virginia, where the tax is 2.5 cents a pack, and then sell it to a mom-and-pop store in New York at a profit of about $40 a carton, ATF officials said.

A smuggler can make about $2 million on a single truckload of cigarettes. A truckload contains 800 cases, or 48,000 cartons.

"People go shopping for a bargain," Billingslea said. "Why pay $75 for a carton of cigarettes when I know someone down the street who will sell me a carton for $15 less out of the back of a car?"

The first large-scale cigarette trafficking case tied to terrorism was prosecuted in North Carolina in 2002. A federal jury in Charlotte convicted Mohamad Hammoud, 28, of violating a ban on providing material support to terrorist groups by funneling profits from a multimillion-dollar cigarette-smuggling operation to Hezbollah.

The jury also found Hammoud, whom prosecutors described as the leader of a terrorist cell, and his brother guilty of cigarette smuggling, racketeering and money laundering. The two men, natives of Lebanon, were accused of smuggling at least $7.9 million worth of cigarettes out of North Carolina and selling them in Michigan. Hammoud was sentenced to 155 years in prison.

Prosecutors were able to prove that profits from the venture were funneled to high-ranking Hezbollah leaders. And Hammoud was caught on wiretaps speaking on the telephone with Hezbollah's military commander in Lebanon, Sheik Abbas Harake, according to trial testimony.

In another case in September, Hassan Moussa Makki, 41, a key player in a multimillion-dollar interstate cigarette smuggling ring, pleaded guilty in Michigan to providing material support for terrorism and participating in a racketeering conspiracy. Prosecutors said he also funneled money to Hezbollah.

Makki, a native of Lebanon, was one of 12 people indicted last year in the scheme to buy low-tax cigarettes in North Carolina and sell them in Michigan. He was sentenced to 57 months in prison.

A legal commodity
Law enforcement sources said the terrorist links are established in these and other ongoing investigations through wiretaps and background intelligence investigations and by running the traffickers' names and those of their associates through CIA, FBI and Homeland Security databases. When a terrorist tie is suspected, the cigarette-trafficking probe becomes a joint investigation with one of 66 Joint Terrorism Task Forces across the country. The task forces, run by the FBI, are composed of federal, state and local law enforcement officials.

Paul J. McNulty, the U.S. attorney in Alexandria, last year charged 10 people with possession and distribution of contraband cigarettes, wire fraud and money laundering as part of a scheme to smuggle more than $2 million in cigarettes bought in Virginia to New York. A man whose name came up in that investigation was arrested in Detroit carrying hundreds of thousands of dollars in wire transfer receipts showing payments to people associated with Hezbollah.

In an interview, McNulty declined to comment on terrorist links in that case. But he said the ATF and other law enforcement agencies are taking cigarette smuggling "more seriously than ever."

"We are pursuing cases such as cigarette smuggling because of the possibility that proceeds from that crime could end up in the hands of terrorists," McNulty said.

He added that the Charlotte case made law enforcement officials more attentive to cigarette smuggling as a key source of financial support for terrorists.

"There are other sources, but this is the one that has gotten the attention of law enforcement," McNulty said.

Cigarette trafficking is difficult to stop, partly because tobacco is a legal commodity. Smuggling cigarettes becomes a federal crime only when more than 60,000 cigarettes, or 300 cartons, are purchased to avoid payment of state tax, said Jerry Bowerman, chief of the ATF alcohol and tobacco enforcement branch.

McNulty said catching the suspects is extremely labor-intensive.

In his case, he said, New York tax authorities placed advertisements in various newspapers and magazines in the New York City area offering Virginia cigarettes for sale. The ads for A&A Tobacco Wholesale listed a Virginia telephone number to place orders. A Virginia post office box was set up as a billing address. Incoming calls were switched to and recorded by an agent with the New York office of tax enforcement.

An undercover storefront location was established for A&A Tobacco Wholesale by law enforcement personnel in King George County in Virginia, where investigators from the New York tax office posed as employees and filled the cigarette orders.

When prospective cigarette purchasers telephoned the advertised number and placed orders, they were told that the cigarettes being sold would bear counterfeit joint New York State and New York City tax stamps.
 
legalization won't change a damn thing.

Go read your history of Prohibition and then ask yourself why we don't see shootouts between Anheuser-Busch and Miller Brewing Company employees over marketing turf.

Ask yourself why beer and cigarette companies don't openly target young kids to get them hooked as users.

Ask yourself why liquor companies hold themselves to high quality control standards so their products don't cause immediate blindness or kidney failure.

Who would buy their cocaine or meth from some street dealer when they could buy a cheaper, quality-controlled product from a business? Legalize it and you remove many of the negative aspects from the drug trade.

The cigarette issue is a red herring. It isn't the cigarettes themselves that makes them lend themselves to terrorist financing, it is the opportunity to evade the high taxes that govt imposes on them.

Human nature will find a way around taxes and restrictions, usually with bad results. Better to remove the taxes and restrictions. As Thomas Jefferson said, better to suffer the ills of too much freedom than the ills of too little.
 
Who would buy their cocaine or meth from some street dealer when they could buy a cheaper, quality-controlled product from a business? Legalize it and you remove many of the negative aspects from the drug trade.

Habitual users of hard narcotics don't give a rodents behind about the health implications. I have seen several people end up having LIMBS AMPUTATED due to infections from dirty needles. And that doesnt stop them from continuing the same behavior even after losing one limb despite the fact that this city is full of needle exchange programs that are FREE and anonymous. These people have fallen out of society and legal drugs won't make them any less criminals. They will STILL need to steal to pay even the cheap price. And they will still clog our health systems.

Ane here is view that is probably a little jaundiced. DIRTY (impure, toxic, poisonous) drugs just help kill of these people before they can drain too much from the rest of this population. I cant even imagine if the threat of overdose was removed from heroin. it would just take a little longer to die.

Also, i am a little tired of the prohibition angle. They are NOT the same thing. Culturally this country has had connection with alcohol since it began. hell, we drink in my church. The point is that outlawing a long standing cultural activity is different from maintaining the illegality of an already legal substance.

The fact is that while alchohol abuse is a terrible thing i have no problem at all hanging out with a person who drinks. I would gladly invite them into my home and have dinner with them. I havent met a SINGLE habitual narcotic user that i would even give my phone number to. You can't tell me that is because of illegality.
 
Mere possession of "controlled substances" IS a victimless crime.
Yes is is BUT how many people do you know have possession of a controlled substance but don't use it? As long as a person is not a hazard to the community and I don't have to pay his medical or funeral costs he can smoke tar for all I care. If I ever go on another job interview, it's those people I'd like to compete against. What I object to is the price the children have to pay due to having low-life parents. Victimless crime? Not hardly!
 
Irrespective of one's opinion on whether drugs should or shouldn't be legal, there is something decidedly WRONG when a country claiming to be a example of freedom and liberty incarcerates a higher percentage of it's citizens than any other country in the world! :(




nero
 
Not at all, nero45acp....

"there is something decidedly WRONG when a country claiming to be a example of freedom and liberty incarcerates a higher percentage of it's citizens than any other country in the world!"
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I'd say that it is a most effective way of keeping criminals out of contact with their intended victims.;)

As to why there are so many criminals in the U.S. being incarcerated....

Well, that is one for the sociologists to address.

I wish the Australian government would lock up more of our crims, instead of releasing them back onto the street to offend again...and again.:mad:
 
drugs are not a primary factor in the vast majority of convictions I've encountered in the Federal system

Preacherman - thanks for chiming in. Do you think part of the reason you see less primary drug offenders is because they are usually state-level offenses? (EDIT: whoops- read further down and saw someone posted the breakdown at the state level. A lof higher, but still only 20%...)

As far as statistics, I know that in 2002 over 1 million Americans were arrested for posession of marijuana. I doubt all of them went to prison, but still...

The War on (some) Drugs is retarded. Too bad no politician (except Ron Paul) will come out and say it!
 
It does not help that 25% or so of the people convicted in our criminal justices systems are illegal aliens. 80,000 convicted illegal alien felons are on the loose in the USA and there are only 200 immigration agents assigned to catching them.

There are also 320,000 illegal aliens that failed to show for deportation hearings. I wonder how many of them are committing crimes?

We have some many illegal aliens among us, that no one can give any kind of accurate headcount. 8 million? 12 million? 20 million?
 
You know the charge that really irks me? Illegal Re-entry. We have lots of illegal Mexican inmates at my joint . . . it does cost us $27,000 a year!
Hmmm . . . with a little bit of negotiation, I'll bet we can get some foreign country to warehouse these foreign criminals for us at a reduced rate . . . the Turks would probably do it for under $10 a day. Even factoring in transportation, we'd stand to save a LOT. :evil:
 
HankB has a great idea.

I bet a stay in a Turkish prison would change the minds of those felon border crossers when they are released and sent back home to Mexico or whatever.

Illegally re-entering the US after being previously deported is a felony.
 
"The US has 5% of the World's population but 25% of the World's prison population. Source...The UN."

I love statistics. You can tweak the living snot out of them and come up with whatever conclusion you want. :)

So is that 25% because we are really such a freedom hating police state?

Or is it possible that right off of the bat, you can take about half of the world's population out of the equation because they can do things in their countries that are just considered social norms there but would get you put away here?

You can take a broken bottle and mutilate your female children's genitals in most of Africa still and that is considered fine and dandy. There are things that are covictable felony sex crimes in America that don't get a second glance in much of the world.

And then maybe part of that large percentage is because we don't execute lots of prisoners. In many countries they line you up against the wall and put a bullet in your brain. Why spend money feeding criminals when they can just put you in the ground and get it over with?

Maybe we have lots of people in prison because we actually have LAWS to break. Lets not forget that probably 25% of the world's populations 'laws' consist of whatever the local warlord says they are.

And then we have illegal aliens. How many of the other illustrious UN member states have tens of millions of illegal aliens storming their borders and taking up space in their prisons?

5% of the population for 25% of the incarcerated? Well whoop de fricking do. We also probably have 50% of the air conditioning and 35% of the flush toilets.
 
A lot of countries also do NOT depend on prison as a correctional institution. MANY countries rely on physical punishement (cutting off the hands of theives) and excecution. In other words those people don't spend much time in actual prison.

Of course its OUR country that is inhumane...
 
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