U.S. soldier jailed in Mexico released

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Great news for our soldier, it does not mention if his firearms were returned. I wonder when it says he was released to U.S Officials, whether he will face charges in the U.S.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D910CCG00.html

05/31/2008

By ALICIA A. CALDWELL / Associated Press


A U.S. soldier jailed in Mexico on weapons charges has been released, Mexican authorities said Friday.

Spc. Richard Torres spent more than a month in a Mexican jail after being arrested April 21 after he has said he accidentally crossed the border in El Paso with an AR-15 assault rifle, a .45-caliber handgun and 171 bullets in his car.

In a statement released Friday, a spokesman for the Center for Social Readaption jail in Ciudad Juarez said Torres, a 25-year-old Iraq war veteran, was released to U.S. authorities Friday afternoon.

Torres had faced a gun-possession charge.

Torres' mother, Gloria Medina, said in a phone interview Friday night that a Mexican judge hearing the case threw out the charge, allowing Torres to be released Friday afternoon.

"The U.S. consulate called and said, 'I've got good news for you, Richard's being released,'" Medina told The Associated Press on Friday.

She said she spoke to her son on Friday and he was planning to drive to California after stopping for dinner in El Paso. A cell phone number for Torres was out of service on Friday.

Gloria Medina said neither she nor her son are harboring any ill feelings toward Mexico.

"I am just glad they have finally seen the light," she said.

Medina said Torres' 1999 Honda Prelude was released to the Army earlier this month and had been stored at Fort Bliss.

Torres said in previous interviews that he was headed home to Fresno, Calif., from Fort Hood, in Central Texas, when he decided to stop in El Paso and walk across the border to grab breakfast in Ciudad Juarez, a hardscrabble border city plagued with violence. Misunderstanding directions from a gas station attendant after driving all night, Torres said he accidentally crossed the border while looking for a place to park.

"It was just an accident, I didn't mean to drive over here," Torres said a day after he was arrested.

Torres, who speaks no Spanish, said he tried to explain his mistake to a Mexican border guard who told him to keep driving into Mexico to a U-turn spot just beyond the border. But about 15 feet later, Torres said, he was stopped by Mexican federal authorities who asked if he had guns or drugs in the car.

"The first thing, I showed them my military ID card," Torres told The Associated Press in an interview earlier this month from jail.

But his status as a U.S. soldier didn't make any difference. It is illegal to carry guns or ammunition into Mexico. Several signs along highways and roads leading to the border in El Paso warn drivers that it is a serious crime to take weapons into Mexico.

Torres said he was concentrating on finding a parking lot and didn't see the signs.

Investigators with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives concluded that Torres, who was transferring to an Army unit based in Honduras when he was arrested, was not smuggling weapons into Mexico to sell them.

Medina said Torres will have a few weeks to spend at home before he reports back to Fort Hood and eventually to his next assignment in Honduras.

"It's just the greatest news I've had in a long time," Medina said.
 


Ciudad Juarez was placed off limits this week by the Ft Bliss commander. It has nothing to do with this, but has to do with under age drinking by soldiers.
 
It was my experience that if you are cleared of civilian charges, the military ones are dropped as well.

Even if they aren't, the charge would likely be "Article 86, Unauthorized absence" but that may not even fly, because he was on leave in relation to a PCS move.
 


I'd bet on an Article 15 or possible an Article 87 if he was pending deployment. An Article 86 usually requires intent - usually.
 
Whoa, guys, let's not forget who started this--the Mexican governmant.

When it comes to their citizens, 39 million in total of which at least 12 million are illegal, we're supposed to bend over, not do anything un-PC, support them and even give them unearned drivers licenses.

Our one citizen gets thrown in jail.

Can you imagine the idea here of turnabout or reciprocity? What do you think the world media would do or think, not to mention our own home grown tree-huggers, if we marched those illegal Mexican nationals into a holding pen in Leavenworth, Kansas? They're not citizens, they could be invaders.

What if the top organizers of this group were simply transfered to Guantanamo? They say they are here to stand around our Home Depots, look for work that Americans won't do, but is that a fact?

If this mythical scenario was even attempted (although proper and legal), it would cause a stir up bigger problems than either Iraq or FEMA.

But one of our citizens? Even some of us think he got what he deserved. And now we come to find out he got lost in a parking lot. I must admit that I am tiring of this "blame America first" idea which gets traction so easily.
 
Who started this? In this case a US citizen crossed the border with weapons. Umm, he started this. I have spent months at a time in El Paso, crossing the border is not something that happens by "accident"
 


LJH is correct, Tourist, and he didn't get lost in a parking lot. He failed basic land nav and didn't read the signs

Gateway2Mexico.jpg

Also read the news articles. Note where he was given the opportunity to turn around but tried to park for a second time....

TexasRiflemanArticle 133 applies to commissioned officers, not enlisted:
933. ART. 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN

Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Now an Article 134 is a catch-all that could be used:
934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, ll conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.


 
You guys may indeed be correct.

But my point is that why shouldn't their government treat our citizens in the same manner we treat theirs? Aren't we allies, or at least trading partners under NAFTA? Don't our "Girls Gone Wild" dump millions of tequila dollars into their economy? Aren't our DEA agents dying along side theirs over cartel smuggling?

Consider this scenario. By shear numbers, one of the illegals who sneak into this country must be a veteran of the Mexican army. When he is apprehended by our Border Patrol, he will be in civilian clothes.

For the purposes of my scenario, the only thing our police know is that he is a foreign soldier entering here illegally. We toss him into Git'mo. All legal, but creating an international incident.

Why is it that they are always right, and we are always wrong?
 


Oky, Tourist, I'll agree with you there. I'll even go further and say the US should adopt the same laws regarding ilegal aliens that Mexico has. All the mojados would either be in jail on on the way back across the border.

IBTL
 
csmkersh, it is my belief that you and I are not the only ones who think so. It is also my belief that most of us fear being "ugly Americans." We just had an incident of an American handing out coins with 3:16 printed upon them in Iraq.

We are expected to support their illegals unto a crushing debt in our society. We are faced with an ever-increasing amount of cartel smuggling that now enters the USA by land through Mexico. I have never heard one peep about Pemex bailing out our energy woes. Don't even get me started on NAFTA.

So why are we having so much trouble saying the obvious? Mexico is a shoddy, lame, gluttonous entity that remains in power by knowly dumping its own ctizens for the sake of profit. What we criticize about Cuba we seem to tolerate about Mexico.

This went to far. Our Mexcian Embassador should have informed their 'government' that Rangers, SEALs, Gloria Steinem and one cheesed biker were coming for their boy. And then do it.

Yikes, if we cannot drive a few miles across the border for one of our kind, then we are really in deep on Iraq.

Would crashing a gate at Tiajuana constitute a "two front" war?

In all seriousness, I ask you to imagine how the soldier felt. You're sitting in a Mexican jail, and your own government let's you rot while a diplomatic answer is "worked out."

In the mean time, a few thousand illegals enter through a hole in the fence, some as drug mules, get a California drivers license an a full belly from food stamps.

We ought to be outraged.
 
But my point is that why shouldn't their government treat our citizens in the same manner we treat theirs?

If they have weapons, aren't a resident alien, and don't have citizenship or a valid hunting license, they get prosecuted in the US. This was an actual case of Mexico enforcing their laws. Both our countries do the same thing when there are weapons violations by foreigners.
 
Wow, there is something more to this story.

You don't just drive into Juarez(I should know, I've lived there.)

There are huge checkpoints that have huge signs saying you can't take fire-arms in, and tons of places to turn around before you hit the border.
 
Prince Yamato said:
Both our countries do the same thing when there are weapons violations by foreigners.

So I am to believe that every one of the 12 million illegal Mexican aliens that are knowingly living in this country by violating known immigration laws has been checked out for weapons?

The idea that keeps being proffered here is that our guy should have known better in entering Mexico.

My argument is that 12 million Mexicans should know the same thing.

If our guy has broken the law, then so have they. It's the same border between the same two countries. The laws applied in going from north to south that got our guy in jail should also apply with the same rigidity as someone traveling from south to north.

They also carry weapons, and dope and diseases and criminal records of which we can only guess.

The damage done to our country by Mexico far outshines what one American did carrying one firearm. Make excuses for the illegals, and you must make excuses for him.

Hold his feet to the fire, then do the same for our criminals.
 
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