U.S.Army Soldier Bringing Guns Into Mexico:"It Was Accidental"

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008

US soldier says driving into Mexico with guns was accident
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5721909.html

By ALICIA A. CALDWELL
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) - A U.S. soldier being held by Mexican authorities said he accidentally drove across the border with guns, knives and ammunition while looking for a place to park.

Spc. Richard R. Medina Torres said that after a long night of driving, he had wanted to park in El Paso, Texas, and walk across the border to Ciudad Juarez for breakfast Monday, but ended up steering his 1999 Honda Prelude off Interstate 10, over an international bridge and into Mexico.

"It was just an accident, I didn't mean to drive over here," a teary-eyed Torres said Tuesday afternoon, standing in a hallway of the Mexican federal building where he has been jailed since Monday morning.

Torres, 25, an Iraq war veteran on his way from Fort Hood, Texas, to his mother's house in Fresno, Calif., said he ended up at the border after misunderstanding an El Paso gas station attendant's directions.

"When I saw where I was, I started asking people at the front gate, 'Where can I turn around at?'" said Torres, who speaks no Spanish.

Mexican authorities said Tuesday that Torres stopped at the border to ask where he could park his car and was directed to make a U-turn to go back to the U.S. When he stopped again to ask federal authorities working nearby where to park, the agents started questioning him.

Torres said that when he was asked if he had drugs or guns, he immediately told Mexican officials he was traveling with an AR-15 assault rifle and a .45-caliber handgun. Both are his personal weapons; he said he intended to leave them and his car at his mother's house before deploying to Honduras for a year.

After searching his car, Mexican authorities took Torres into custody and began questioning him, he said. He has not been charged with a crime.

It is illegal to bring guns or ammunition and some types of knives into Mexico and weapons offenses can result in lengthy prison sentences. Torres also had 171 rounds of ammunition and three knives.

Roads leading to the border are dotted with clearly marked signs directing drivers to Mexico and warning against bringing guns or ammunition across the border. Torres said he wasn't paying attention to the signs, instead focusing his attention on looking for a parking lot.

Juarez has been gripped by violence in the last several months as dueling drug cartels have apparently been in a bloody battle for control of the hardscrabble city. In the last several weeks, Mexican federal agents and soldiers have been posted in the city in an attempt to quell the violence.

Torres said he was being treated well. When he wasn't being questioned or speaking with U.S. consular officials he was being kept in a small, private cell with a bed, shower and toilet.

He said he's met with a lawyer and hopes to see a judge in the next few days
 


I hear the old "Dragnet" theme song, "Dumb, de, Dimb, Dumb."

There's big arsed signs saying don't take guns or ammo into Mexico. And a Hispanic who couldn't speak Spanish most likely didn't set well with the Federales.
 
I think this poor soldier is out of luck. Not too bright.

It would have been illegal to take a non-registered AR-15 into CA anyway. Since he isn't stationed in CA, that would have been a no-no.
 
They should let him go. If not, our federales should step in and make a "request."

We're the super power and sometimes it's good we use it. :)
 
Not surprised he was arrested. In 1995, I was stationed at FT Bliss (El Paso) and a fellow Military Police Sgt. pursued a suspected car thief off base and followed him to the top of the Rio Grand river bridge that borders with Mexico. By the time he realized he was officially in Mexico (tried to turn around) he was surrounded by the Mexican Border agents and arrested. He was eventually released back to U.S. Customs 4 days later (with no pistol or patrol car of course). Same thing happened to a El Paso PD officer 3 weeks prior to this. Both times, the Mexican guards let the thief continue on through the border but arrested the pursuers for bring a firearm into Mexico.
 
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Not surprised he was arrested. In 1995, I was station at FT Bliss (El Paso) and a fellow Military Police Sgt. pursued a suspected car thief off base and followed him to the top of the Rio Grand river bridge that borders with Mexico. By the time he realized he was officially in Mexico (tried to turn around) he was surrounded by the Mexican Border agents and arrested. He was eventually released back to U.S. Customs 4 days later (with no pistol or patrol car of course). Same thing happened to a El Paso PD officer 3 weeks prior to this. Both times, the Mexican guards let the thief continue on through the border but arrested the pursuers for bring a firearm into Mexico.

Well if their border control is so damned effective how come we have arms/narcotics/human smuggling problems? Do they just not care as long as it ain't on its way in?

Jeez, Mexico can really tick me off sometimes...
 
Well if their border control is so damned effective how come we have arms/narcotics/human smuggling problems? Do they just not care as long as it ain't on its way in?

Jeez, Mexico can really tick me off sometimes...

Um, yeah, d'uh, that is how border patrol/guarding works. You check for things coming INTO the country, not things going out. Notice the US didn't stop the soldier on the way out of the country? What do you think? Maybe we don't care so long as it isn't on the way in?
 
Do they just not care as long as it ain't on its way in?

That was the sense I got when I was stationed there. The soldier in the OP should have known better but it is possible he accidently crossed over. Once your driving on the bridge crossing, the next thing you know is that you are now in Mexico.
 
But we don't make any attempt at stopping armed Mexican army patrols from crossing onto our side? Something's wrong with this picture, isn't it?
 
There's big arsed signs saying don't take guns or ammo into Mexico. And a Hispanic who couldn't speak Spanish most likely didn't set well with the Federales.
While I agree this is true IF he actually attempted to cross the border, unless I'm misunderstanding, he never actually tried, or succeded, in crossing the border, and was actively trying to find out how to NOT cross, and where he could park on the U.S. side. If that's the case, I dont see where he should have been breaking any laws. just being NEAR the border, but not crossing or attempting to cross, isnt a crime, guns or not. If he was in the U.S., and the guns were legal where he was, and never crossed or tried to cross. What did he do wrong. Sounds like he kept trying to find out where he could stop on the U.S. side BEFORE crossing or attempting to cross (without the guns and the car), but not get towed, ticked, etc. Seems legit to me. Am I misreading it, or IS this guy getting hosed badly here?

"When I saw where I was, I started asking people at the front gate, 'Where can I turn around at?'" said Torres, who speaks no Spanish.

Mexican authorities said Tuesday that Torres stopped at the border to ask where he could park his car and was directed to make a U-turn to go back to the U.S. When he stopped again to ask federal authorities working nearby where to park, the agents started questioning him.
the first part (and title) of the article seems to contradict the above sections later on. Only thing I can figure is its more quality jornalism (isnt some type of writing skill and reading/verbal comprehension required for this job anymore?) or the "gate" they refer to is actually PAST the official border line (which seems pretty ghetto to me, but...). Seems kind dumb to let people in THEN check, as opposed to checking right at/before, but what do I know, I'm no politician/buracrat....
 
They mean business down there when it comes to guns and drugs. He's in a lot of trouble. He should have been paying more attention. We bitch and complain about Mexican nationals breaking our laws. We should respect theirs. Ignorance is no excuse.

I don't think he'll be imprisoned though. Despite what most people think, Mexico, even though strict, is reasonable. I expect they'll boot him out, tell him not to ever come back, and keep his guns. Then maybe he'll be more careful next time.


-T.
 
Mexico surely doesn't mean business when it comes to drug lords with guns. Their system is broken and corrupt. This guy's mistake was that he didn't travel with enough bribery cash. It's hard to give Mexican law enforcement any respect at all. I have a healthy fear, but do I have respect for them? Hell no, disarming me in such a dangerous country means they have no respect for my life. So, screw them.
 
While I agree this is true IF he actually attempted to cross the border, unless I'm misunderstanding, he never actually tried, or succeded, in crossing the border, and was actively trying to find out how to NOT cross, and where he could park on the U.S. side. If that's the case, I dont see where he should have been breaking any laws. just being NEAR the border, but not crossing or attempting to cross, isnt a crime, guns or not. If he was in the U.S., and the guns were legal where he was, and never crossed or tried to cross. What did he do wrong. Sounds like he kept trying to find out where he could stop on the U.S. side BEFORE crossing or attempting to cross (without the guns and the car), but not get towed, ticked, etc. Seems legit to me. Am I misreading it, or IS this guy getting hosed badly here?

Let's see, he he was ARRESTED in Mexico AND is states the he drove "over here." So he did cross the border.

I have been to several border crossings in Texas, including El Paso. I don't see how he could have screwed it up. Between the signs and traffic to make the crossing, he had to have known. There are, as noted, big arsed signs.
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...?q=el+paso+border+mexico+sign&um=1&hl=en&sa=X

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...+mexico+sign&start=60&ndsp=20&um=1&hl=en&sa=N

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...mexico+sign&start=120&ndsp=20&um=1&hl=en&sa=N

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...=/images?q=el+paso+border+crossing&um=1&hl=en

I find the no guns signs on the highway to be particularly interesting. Of course, then there are all the big signs saying you are entering Mexico when you do cross the bridge.
 
And a Hispanic who couldn't speak Spanish most likely didn't set well with the Federales.

When I was in high school in the early 70s in small town Lousiana a family of Mexicans moved in. Never had known any before then. The parents were from Mexico but the kids were all American born. They didn't speak any Spanish and my friends in the family expressed frustration with other Mexicans that assumed they spoke spanish. American culture is very strong and overpowering. I do not think I have ever met an american born person of any immigrant parents that wasn't in tune with the culture. We are still the melting pot.

I buy the soldier's story mostly. A more probable scenario is he just forgot he had it with him.
 
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