Uberti Walker and Colt's Patent?

[jphendren]

Hello all,

I have an old Uberti Walker that my dad bought me back in the early 90's if I recall. Anyways, I noticed that on my Walker that it has the Colt's Patent on the cylinder roll engraving, but the newer Walker's do not have this. Also, my grips are plain walnut, not the reddish color I see on them now. When did Uberti stop putting Colt's Patent on them, anybody know?

Jared

 

[scrat]

ummm they still do

it is part of the original roll on the cylinder it just has a blank in the patent area

 

[scrat]

Check out the WALKER Club

 

[jphendren]

Sorry, I'm not sure if I'm not explaining correctly. It has "Model U.S.M.R." in one bordered area, and "COLT'S PATENT" in the other, along with the full battle scene rollmarked. The photo's I've seen of newer Walker's show the the battle scene, but no "COLT'S PATENT" in the ribbon bordered area. Am I mistaken?

Jared

 

[scrat]

YOU are mistaken. if they turn the cylinder some more you would see the rest

page 129 post 3217 on Walker club. Just because you can not see it doesnt mean its not there. Its just not the best looking area

 

[jphendren]

scrat,

I went to page 129, post 3217. I'm not seeing in those three photo's what I am talking about.

By the way, is that revolver a Cimarron?

Jared

 

[scrat]

Who do you think makes cimarron

Just because you can not see it doesnt mean its not there. Its just not the best looking area

 

[AlexanderA]

This raises an interesting legal question. Let me say off the top that I do not know if Uberti Walkers currently have "Colt's Patent" on the cylinder or not. But if they don't, it may be because the Colt company can object to the use of that logo. Patents expire (which is why Uberti can make a copy of the Colt Walker in the first place), but trademarks are valid forever, as long as the owning company keeps them in continuous use, in association with its products. The "Colt's Patent" marking, it can be argued, is a trademark.

 

[scrat]

OMG you guys are too much. let me go take a picture for you

Ok yep im wrong. it has the MODEL U.S.M.R on top the bottom empty field where Colts Patent once was. lighting and cell camera were pretty bad trying to upload

already posted that

 

[jphendren]

"Who do you think makes cimarron"

I understand that Uberti makes guns for Cimarron, but I have read that the Cimarron version is usually nicer, all I am asking is if that is the case?

I may be wrong, but I found a few images of newer Uberti Walker's and they had the bordered area where mine says "Colt's Patent," but it was left blank. I have only handled two Walker's, this Uberti (made in 1986 I believe), and a 2nd Gen. Colt, which obviously had all the Colt's marks.

" Its just not the best looking area"

The area I'm referring to is not visible in those three images.

Jared

 

[scrat]

original og


Uberti
ya too much glare then the gold keeps fuzzing up everything. the top says model usmr bottom is empty

 

[scrat]

Cimarron is way better than Uberti.

Just like Colt Black powder Cimarron is made by Uberti. Just its like Cimarron took apart the whole gun polished all the internals works and any raw flashings that were not done by uberti. then the whole gun is refinished Cimarron ads their address on the top. Side by side to a Uberti it just looks a lot better

 

[jphendren]

"bottom is empty"

YOU were wrong, the bottom is EMPTY. MY Walker has COLT'S PATENT in the bottom.

 

[Berkley]

My Uberti Whitneyville Dragoon is 2011 (date code CH) production.
The cylinder scene is the same as that used on the Walkers. Mine lacks the original's Colt's Patent marking in the lower bordered area,

although it has the Model U.S.M.R. in the upper bordered area as shown.



I think that the omission is indeed related to Trademark infringement objections by Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC. Compare the naval scenes on two Piettas - on the left a BH (1996) marked "COLT'S PATENT"; on the right a CH (2011) marked " PATENT".

 

[jphendren]

So it appears that Colt has barred Uberti from putting that mark on any longer. I wonder when they stopped? My Walker has the the [AP] date stamp on the bottom of the frame, which from what I can tell means it was made in 1986. It has the charcoal blue finish, which has worn off of the backstrap, but the rest of the gun looks pretty nice. When my dad bought the gun, there was an idiot ring on the cylinder, from somebody playing with it at the store. We went all over looking for another Walker, but this was the only one that we could find, so I lived with the scratch as I really wanted a Walker.

Jared

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Howdy gents!

This all came about 10 years or so ago when AWA (American Western Firerams) in Florida convinced ASM (no longer in the game) to add the model name, "PEACEKEEPER", to the side of the barrel of their SAA 1873 clones. Boyd Davis had worked dilliegently towards making and marking the SAA's built by ASM for his business, EMF. When EMF lost the ASM line and AWA picked it up the SAA clones had the patent dates on the left side of the frame. Colts had been unhappy for quite a while about the "closeness" of the Italian clones but the word "PEACEKEEPER" was too close to "PEACEMAKER" which Colts had copywrited. The court agreed. The Italians have all backed off of the patent wording since then.

Regards, HH

 

[hang fire]

Not so sure it is copyright problem. I know in the US any printed material like books etc, if was printed before 1922, the copyright has expired and are now in the public domain to reprint or whatever. From sites like DigilLbraries, Project Guntenberg and others, one can download for free EBooks like many of the old classics etc. I am really enjoying the Historical EBooks put on my Kindle, am now deep into the 1899-1902 Boer War with books published by both sides in the war.

http://www.google.com/#pq=copyright....osb&fp=cec1f33bc6693282&biw=960&bih=465&bs=1

 

[Berkley]

You are correct, it is Trademark infringement.

 

[PRM]

Cimarron is way better than Uberti.

Just like Colt Black powder Cimarron is made by Uberti. Just its like Cimarron took apart the whole gun polished all the internals works and any raw flashings that were not done by uberti. then the whole gun is refinished Cimarron ads their address on the top. Side by side to a Uberti it just looks a lot better - Scrat

Got to disagree on that one. I'll save the extra dollars and go with Uberti. I've heard all the stuff about Cimarron being the top of the Uberti line, but you will never convince me of that. I own both and the only guns I've had a problem with right out of the box were Cimarrons.

My .38 Lightning came with a short firing pin. Would barely mark the primers. Cimarron offered to fix it, but considering shipping and turn around time, I had a local gunsmith fabricate one and was back in business in 2 days.

My Bisley was another story. The cylinder was so aggressively buffed during the final finish and had so much metal removed it would not even lock up. Replaced cylinder, after which springs started failing. Before it was over, I had replaced everything in the gun including the hammer assembly and took multiple shipments to get it right.

I know you can get a lemon with any mfg. But, with Cimarron, I'm running two for two. That don't say much for a meticulous QC process. They are great folks to deal with, and ship parts quickly. But, I don't think they are worth the extra $$$.

 

[oldcodger]

I've been wondering about that too. My Uberti "Wells Fargo Colt" has the word COLT
missing from the block on the cylinder next to PATENT.

It has a date code of AP (1986).

One of my two CVA / ASM .31 WF Colts has COLTS PATENT on the cylinder, as does the spare cylinder. I built it from a kit in late 1985, so I presume it was manufactured in '85 or sometime before (duh!). The other I bought already assembled, and has no spare cylinder, and it has a frame serial number (not visible except on disassembly) much higher than the other. All three cylinders (ASM) are marked COLTS PATENT...

so I am puzzled about the Uberti.

Clues?
oc

 

[tinman080]

mine are blank

My Walker and my 1st Model Dragoon, both CD code (2009) are BLANK....

 

[ClemBert]

Yup, my Uberti Walker is blank when it comes to the patent verbage.

 

[CraigC]

Just like Colt Black powder Cimarron is made by Uberti. Just its like Cimarron took apart the whole gun polished all the internals works and any raw flashings that were not done by uberti. then the whole gun is refinished Cimarron ads their address on the top. Side by side to a Uberti it just looks a lot better

No, Cimarron has their own QC personel at the Uberti factory. They roll off the same assembly line, only each importer gets their own barrel stamp, in addition to the maker's. I have several Uberti's, some imported direct by Stoeger, some by Interarms, some by Cimarron, some by Taylor's. I see very little difference between them. However, the best of the bunch is indeed a Cimarron. It has the brightest case colors, best overall fit & finish and required the least stoning of the action to be slick. The only one I've had to return was also a Cimarron but it was when the Richards Transition Model first came out. It had the initial short ejector and the housing was really rough. Otherwise it was fine.

Colts had been unhappy for quite a while about the "closeness" of the Italian clones but the word "PEACEKEEPER" was too close to "PEACEMAKER" which Colts had copywrited.

Colt probably had dibs on the "Peacekeeper" moniker as well, due to a model of double action .357 carrying that name in the `80's. It was basically a parkerized Trooper.

 

[oldcodger]

yes. I had the 4" parked Peacekeeper, and had to part with it during a tough financial time.

What a sweet shooter ! and they only made 'em for a couple of years.

Not quite a Python, but close...

 

[Hoof Hearted]

No, Cimarron has their own QC personel at the Uberti factory. They roll off the same assembly line, only each importer gets their own barrel stamp, in addition to the maker's. I have several Uberti's, some imported direct by Stoeger, some by Interarms, some by Cimarron, some by Taylor's. I see very little difference between them. However, the best of the bunch is indeed a Cimarron. It has the brightest case colors, best overall fit & finish and required the least stoning of the action to be slick.

Don't forget that many of the cartridge firing Cimarron revelovers also enjoy the Colts patent dates on the left side of the frame (they have to be stamped before being Case hardened so they must be done seperate from the other imorts).

Reagrds, HH