UK: DNA tests sought 'for every Briton'

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Last Updated: Monday, 8 September, 2003, 02:08 GMT 03:08 UK

DNA tests sought 'for every Briton'

Every single person in the UK should be compelled to have their DNA on the national database in an effort to prevent crime, a senior police officer has argued.
Currently about two million people who have been charged with criminal offences have their DNA profiles on the national database.

But Kevin Morris, chairman of the Police Superintendents Association, told the Times newspaper opposition to extending the scheme to every man, woman and child was overstated.

The association will call this week for the extension as a tool to revolutionise the fight against crime and solve hundreds of murders.

Civil liberties campaigners have always opposed the suggestion, arguing it is intrusive to make such demands of people who have done nothing wrong.

Campaigners also fear that data could eventually be used by insurers looking for genetic predispositions towards certain serious illnesses.

They also argue that any such move would make all people feel like suspects.

But Mr Morris told the newspaper: "If we have a compulsory database to which every citizen is expected to donate their DNA as a responsibility within our society, I fervently believe we will not only detect crimes quicker but we will help prevent them in the first place.

"With estimates suggesting that there are as many as 600 people in the UK who have committed murder but who escaped initial detection, the question has got to be asked why we can't do more.

"Experience has shown that the general public come forward in their thousands when they believe their sample will help police to detect a serious crime."

Mr Morris told the newspaper people would be more worried about abuses of the DNA by commercial companies than about being seen as suspects.
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The following is repeated for emphasis:

"...we will not only detect crimes quicker but we will help prevent them in the first place."

Its staggering that Inspector Morris could pass off the obvious problems with his proposal. i.e., The ease with which a DNA sample could be planted at a crime scene. Malevolent or innocent screw-ups in the database. The presumed infallibility with which DNA evidence in treated these days.

I'd like to hear opinions on this proposal, please try to steer clear of the Brit-bashing, 'cause we've had cases of DNA sweeps taking place in the USA as well.
 
"Campaigners also fear that data could eventually be used by insurers looking for genetic predispositions towards certain serious illnesses."

...and organleggers. (ie: One who seeks others for involuntary organ/tissue donation.)


After all, if you have the misfortune to be a compatable blood type to some "living national treasure", why shouldn't you be compelled to 'donate' a kidney, bone marrow, blood, etc. to keep them alive?
Do it for the children.
 
WOW, Tamara

Now there's a tag line for the ages. We should have that printed up into bumper stickers and hats. Somewhere Orwell is smiling to himself.
 
Yet another stunning example where only law-abiding folks will be affected. Do they honestly believe criminals will volutarily show up at the local clinic to have thier mouth swabbed??? Doubt it. So, what the government will do is make it illegal NOT to give them the sample. Same problem there. Only the law-abiding will contribute because the bad guys could care less.

GT
 
"If we have a compulsory database to which every citizen is expected to donate their DNA...
Love that flowery language. If it's a compulsory database, I guess you're not really asking people to donate are you, you're forcing people to submit. But what's the difference right? It's all about the herd.

:barf:

- Gabe
 
Well, there was at least one conservative German politician who thought it would be a good idea to collect DNA samples from every German male. :barf:

And I thought that was just another good idea why to have guns. :D
 
Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.

I believe England would have been happier as a Nazi subject state: no decisions to make, no responsibility to bear, no freedom to clutter up the intellectual landscape.
 
"Well, there was at least one conservative German politician who thought it would be a good idea to collect DNA samples from every German male."

Where did this come from?
 
There was a case of rape or child abuse and an ex-general (and then interior minister in one of the states) had the bright idea that if there'd be a DNA sample of every German male, then the rapist could be convicted by whatever sample of body fluid he'd leave at the scene.
 
Hate to tell you this, folks, but if you ask around at your local police department you'll likely find at least one cop who'd like to do it here. They probably acknowledge that it can't be done, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't do it in a heartbeat if they could. Too many police officers who don't understand that the Constitution is not an impediment to law enforcement but rather the very law they're supposed to enforce. It's not a British phenomenon, although I do note that the British seem to be a bit more tolerant of the idea.
 
This is a serious question:

Is this for real, or is this a satire?

Chills ran through my body when I read it.

It is the most terrifying thing imaginable that people who would adovcate such measures actually exist and are allowed to continue to exist.
 
I fully agree with the rationale behind cataloging every person's DNA. It makes absolute sense from a security/crime prosecution point of view.

That being said, merely because something makes sense in one area does not make it any less abhorrent from another perspective. The gov't cannot treat everyone as a criminal now on the off chance that they may someday commit a crime. That's the final nail in the coffin of any alleged representative gov't.
 
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