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UK Gun Control = AK47s for Bad Guys

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Thin Black Line, Oct 13, 2006.

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  1. Thin Black Line

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    Yep, cutting up a law-abiding citizen's semi-automatic magazine fed
    rifle really made a difference....:rolleyes:


    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2401628,00.html

     
  2. sterling180

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    Just think in 1987,an ordinary citizen could own an AK47,until Micheal Ryan,misused his,by killing people in Hungerford,with it.

    You can still get them in the UK,but the have to be straight-pull versions only,except in .22lr versions.
     
  3. Rem700SD

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    Alas, the profit margin is almost always in the consumables....
     
  4. Cromlech

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    I am interested in obtaining one of the straight pull AK models someday. :D
     
  5. TallPine

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    One of my many fears about gun control is that more criminals will have fully automatic weapons. Why not, if all guns are illegal anyway? In for a penny, in for pound
     
  6. Cromlech

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  7. El Tejon

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    This article is a complete and total lie!

    Afterall we have learned on THR that absolutely no guns, I repeat no guns are being smuggled out of Iraq!:scrutiny: :rolleyes:
     
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    That, and they get lots of "free" crimes, anyway. If someone is arrested for parole violations, robbery, burglary, weapons charges, etc. they might technically face dozens or hundreds of years in prison... but half the charges will just not be prosecuted because others are a stronger case, then more are plea-bargained away, then sentencing is light because "it just wouldn't be fair to sentence him to a significant percentage of his life in prison", then he earns "good behavior credits" and is ultimately released early anyway because of overcrowding.

    A career criminal might see several months or a couple of years of prison at a time, and then their sentence is done... they're already felons and so aren't losing anything more. They go right back to committing crimes and illegally possesing weapons to start the cycle all over again. An additional gun charge, or having a full auto, doesn't really mean anything. It's all a joke.

    But if I get dinged up for some ridiculous "weapons violation", my life is over. *** is wrong with our society?
     
  9. Lucky

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    "Royal Military Police have investigated claims that the alleged drugs were sold to other British troops still serving in Iraq."

    Umm, support our troops? Seriously though, if cocaine helps them stay alive, then they should be allowed. A friend in the Brit army told me that if you smoke pot and are caught, you're out of there. Use cocaine, and you get rehab and can come back.
     
  10. Cromlech

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    I agree, in situations where certain troops (special forces, maybe) could use something to keep them wired for a period of time, then I have no objection.

    Cannabis is fine, in my opnion, while on leave. Nice sort of thing to calm you down, but not what you want to be under the influence of in combat (just a guess, as it mongs you out).
     
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    jnojr, come now, gun laws are meant to disarm you, not criminals, career or otherwise.

    Sarah Brady admits that criminals will always have guns. The anti-civil rights lobby gives not one whit about crime. The care deeply about disarming the citizenry.

    Afterall an armed man would be able to object to their utopian socialistic vision!:D
     
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    War trophies are an idea just as old as war. It seems terrible that they would deny a soldier them.

    Especially denying a veterans teh right to own fully automatic weapons while expecting them to carry one in defense of their country.
     
  13. Thin Black Line

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    It's hard for the average soldier to do. Not as hard for the average
    contractor.

    We were allowed knives, bayonets, and helmets (with a letter from your
    CDR) this time around, but a friend from Gulf I would have been in big trouble
    had he done the same back then. He did smuggle back a Republican Guard
    Black Beret in his shorts, though :D

    Even combat vets are not allowed firearms because our fedgov is at its core
    against individuals owning firearms.
     
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    May be hard to do, but smuggling is taking place more and more.

    The rumor around the federal courthouses is that ATFE had yet another round of discussions with DoA and DoN on re-doing inspections.
     
  15. Fosbery

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    I wish I knew some of these guys, I wouldn't mind an AK or three.
     
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    Is there any movement to take back your basic human right to self protection and gun rights in the UK? Seems like after 1997 everything is going down hill.
     
  17. Fosbery

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    Well, there is a strong gun lobby in the UK (relative to other Uk lobby groups, not relative to the US gun lobby obviously) but as far as I am aware it focuses entirely on sports and hunting. There is a large proportion of gun owners who are very much for the RKBA and very much for arms for defence and all that but this feeling never gets voiced officially. Partly because it just won't fly and partly because any talk of self-defence or being secure from opression will immediately be jumped upon by the left wing media as terrorist activity, militia activity, insane gun nut activity etc. Some target shooting clubs ban the wearing of camouflage (except by serving military personel) as it gives them a bad, non-sporting image.

    Personally, I want to start up an 'extremist' movement in the UK to lobby, not just for better laws for sportsmen and hunters, but for the inalienable right to keep and bear arms. However, I think I'll just move to the US :rolleyes:
     
  18. Cromlech

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    Fosbery is right, and although it may seem like the U.K 'shooting family' is full of a bunch of quitters, there just aren't enough of us to make a difference.

    Hell, all of the major gun restrictions were put in place before I turned 13, not much I could do about it. :mad:
     
  19. G36-UK

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    Same here. It's a shame that gun owners are all painted as "nuts", despite being more mentally balanced than the antis over here.
     
  20. Odd Job
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    Even if you don't have guns but you belong to a club and use their guns, you get frowned upon by the general populace. I tried to get colleagues of mine from the hospitals to come down to the range on visitors' day, but most of them say they don't like guns. Guns are bad. Guns kill. The only success I have had was with some Aussies and South Africans, and one or two guys who had a military background before they became health professionals. The UK is hampered by evils that are protected by a mechanism that is half made of political correctness and half made by a ridiculous nanny attitude. It's fast becoming a state where a citizen won't take a crap without phoning up some spineless official and asking how many squares of toilet paper he is allowed to use.

    It is a damn shame. The 'greatness' of Great Britain is fading daily. Criminals and religious extremists (who I like to call arse-fezzes) have every whim catered to, and the ordinary decent guy on the street is the one who gets no joy when things go sour. And he can't protect himself, because he is denied the means.
    I wonder if our other UK friends here on THR will agree with me that something is seriously wrong with the UK, and that this 'disease' is evident in the type of TV content we have. You see Chavs, delinquents, morons and lay-abouts on the news, on watchdog programs and on various documentaries daily. These kids such as the ones you see on Super Nanny, are a product of parents not exercising the proper discipline and decent upbringing of their kids. They sit there and smile benevolently while these little tykes run around swearing, trashing the house and not respecting any adults. And that is the problem. What you see there is the UK's future. In about 30 years time when these dipsticks are running the country, it won't be a question of whether you get your guns back, it will be a question of whether the country can keep its head above water.
     
  21. Fosbery

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    Got to agree. British society has gone right down the crapper.

    Though I must say I've had much success spreading the good word of shooting. My wife now shoots, most of my work colleagues, friends and family have tried it - my nephew is now a regular shooter.

    Most of the people I talk to agree with me on the Question of Guns to some degree. Many people think guns for defence etc are good and that guns are beneficial to society, but that there needs to be liscencing or that things like machineguns and grenade launchers should not be allowed. These people are clrearly not insane, blind antis or idiots. I may disagree and say "no, there should be NO restriction" but let's face it, making grenade launchers illegal isn't exactly the work of Satan (aka Tony Blair). I have met a couple of die hard antis but most people I speak to are not inherently anti, they've just come to accept gun control as a good thing without thinking. WHen you make them think about it logically, they realise the stupidity of the idea. One bloke told me he had never, ever met anyone who thought gun control was a bad thing - "it's just crazy enough that it makes sense... I guess I agree with you" :D
     
  22. G36-UK

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    I agree with both of you.

    Personally, I'm not much of a real gun enthusiast (with the exception of quite a few that aren't ownable here), but I'm not one of the irrational few who demands a ban on guns just because I can't think of a use. Law abiding people use them, that's good enough for me.

    The problem is, people over here generally don't care about Practical Pistol, or clay pigeon shooting, or even Airsoft and paintball. Despite the vast differences between the various firearm and replica enthusiasts of the UK, the media and the anti-gun groups lump them together under the term "gun nuts". Unfortunately, they seem to enjoy lumping the actions of criminals in with the law-abiding.

    Although each of the groups in the UK are different in ways, we must stand together, instead of seeing each other as sacrifices to buy ourselves more time.

    (Apologies if this doesn't make any sense, but it's 2:46AM and I've run out of tea, so I'll say goodnight.)
     
  23. Green Lantern

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    Don't worry 'bout a thing, UK people! I'm sure your ace government and law enforcement will take these bad guys down HARD! :cool:

    That is, assuming "ace" = backwards-thinking nimrod and bully...

    And "bad guys" = grandmother that gets a broken arm from a band of teenage thugs, a woman that *gasp* yelled the "f-word" at ANOTHER band of teenage thugs, and a 14-year old girl that didn't want to be a forced, unpaid engligh-language tutor...:uhoh:

    Screw amnesty for illegal aliens.....I think it's high time America offered mass-immigration deals for a group that really NEEDS it - the subject-victims of life in the U.K.!
     
  24. Fosbery

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    Amen to that :D
     
  25. Cromlech

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    We should all club together and buy/rent a small property with a few rooms, while citizenship is sorted out. :D
     
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