UK gun control works!

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Gun Crimes Soar

With concern over firearms in the UK escalating on a daily basis, what after 2 young girls are added to the list of victims, is the government’s plan of action?

Charlene Ellis, 18, and her 17-year-old cousin Latisha Shakespear were gunned during a rival shootout in Aston, Birmingham - innocent victims of what is becoming a way of life for gangs who regularly use weapons. Ironically, the girls killed had formed a rap group to convey an anti-gun message.

Recently published Home Office statistics show gun crime has soared by 35%, and that firearms related offences rose to more than 27 occurances every day on average in England and Wales, with the biggest increases in large metropolitan areas.

The report has come out in a week where the government has highlighted plans to introduce a five-year minimum jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm. This was then followed by an announcement that new legislation would be brought in to ban anyone carrying a replica or air weapon in a public place without a good reason.

Controversy from the shooting arose when Culture Minister Kim Howells accused Rap Artists of promoting and glamourising gun culture. However rap and garage artists and music lovers alike say music is not to blame, as music videos and lyrics simply reflect reality. However, other artists have responded by stating they should demonstrate more responsibility in their lyrics.

While the arguments rage on, there is no denying the tragic outcome of these shootings, and public worry that events are getting out of hand. This was cleary shown when as a sign of respect, hundreds of people gathered for a candlelit vigil in Aston in memory of Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare.

http://www.clickwalla.com/article.php?cid=19&aid=1510
 
The report has come out in a week where the government has highlighted plans to introduce a five-year minimum jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm.
As if Criminals will Ever Pay Attention to Laws in the first place....:rolleyes:
This was then followed by an announcement that new legislation would be brought in to ban anyone carrying a replica or air weapon in a public place without a good reason.
And a Good Reason would be?:confused:
Why can I see this one being Abused Frequently...?:scrutiny:
Controversy from the shooting arose when Culture Minister Kim Howells accused Rap Artists of promoting and glamourising gun culture.
Pollitican's Guidebook Rule #1: When in Doubt, Blame something that has little or nothing to do with the matter...:rolleyes:
 
Recently published Home Office statistics show gun crime has soared by 35%...

Must be something in the air over there, because of all the guns I've owned over the decades, not a single one has ever gone bad and turned to crime.

Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.
 
Controversy from the shooting arose when Culture Minister Kim Howells accused Rap Artists of promoting and glamourising gun culture. ----------------------------

However rap and garage artists and music lovers alike say music is not to blame, as music videos and lyrics simply reflect reality.

"So Damon tells me, and I can quite believe him; he says that when modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the State always change with them..."

Plato - The Republic Part 4"
 
The report has come out in a week where the government has highlighted plans to introduce a five-year minimum jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm.

Since making it illegal to run around with a gun and shoot people apparently doesn't work, perhaps making it even illegaler will help. :rolleyes:

I can't remember who said it, but someone made an excellent analogy to these gun control laws: It's like living in a neighbourhood where the speed limit is 25mph and having a problem with teenagers speeding through doing fifty or sixty, so, in response, you lower the speed limit to 15mph. :scrutiny:
 
Actually Tam, in the UK carrying out that action would help. If the kids are doing 50mph+ and the speed limit is 15mph then they are doing 30+ mph over the speed limit. Looking at a driving ban for that in all likelihood.

I do take your intended point to some extent though.
 
If they didn't care about the speed limit, why would they care about a licence revocation? ;) It's not like a driving ban physically prevents them from operating a motor vehicle.

See, you're thinking like a law-abiding person, and applying law-abiding solutions to problems. If you took a ban, you'd be thinking, "The police told me I may not drive, so I won't." Johnny Crim doesn't care: "Pigs took my license. Piss on 'em." and drives anyway. Maybe in your car, after breaking the window. :uhoh:
 
Not what I am saying, you guys often talk about the increased deterrent effect harsher punishments would have. A driving ban as opposed to a few points on the license is a harsher punishment, thus an increased deterrent.
 
They would be caring, or most ''speed freaks'' I know would be caring. Their precious cars are more important to them than I can imagine.

See previous post for ''increased deterrent'' factor. Is that not the reason you guys own guns for home defence? ;)
 
I don't know, agricola, it sure seems like things are worse in Britain than you make them out to be. Before you ask me to back that up, I can't. It just SEEMS that way. Maybe it is that way, maybe it's not, but it's hard to respect any goverment that would disarm their citizens.
 
I am 22 and a Brit, lived in some pretty rough areas and had drug dealers for next door neighbours very briefly until they were banged up. Never witnessed anything more than a brawl, never been mugged or burgled. No-one has ever tried to start an a random fight with me. My parents car has been broken into once, my brother lived in student residences for three years and was burgled once when they were out and all he lost was a handful of cds. I have lived in student properties for three years now and no-one has even attempted anything as far as I know. My girlfriend is part chinese and rarely hears anything that she would regard as offensive towards her being said about her when she is on the street. No-one has ever called us ''miscegnators'' or anything of the like.

There is no need to live in fear of crime in this country, and as you say ''the UK has a higher overall rate of crime than the US.'' Which is why some of the extreme measures and attitudes taken by some around here are totally alien to me.

Britain isn't perfect. It isn't Beirut circa 1985 either.
 
HBK,

I report the facts as I seem them. One must bear in mind that the diet of news you get here is not representative of the whole, and from some people is just a total fabrication (I exclude Drizzt, Cuchulainn and Microbalrog from that) - the overall view you get is going to be altered because of that. Some of the articles written are laughably bad (the Newsmax one linked to by Zedicus is an illustration) and composed in the main of factual errors, or outright lies-for-effect.

Also I've never tried to state that we dont have a gun problem, or that the UK is crime-free: but the UK situation as painted here by some is so far wide of the mark it would be unbelievable on a l33t board, never mind one as good as THR.
 
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