UK news: Man Who Killed Armed Intruder Jailed Eight Years

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NOT ALL IS AS REPORTED:

Looks like he might not have been completely inocent: Seems the guy who got 8 years was a drug dealer and on top of that chased them out of his house before stabbing them:


http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/lancashire/bolton/news/NEWS8.html

A WALKDEN drug dealer was today starting an eight-year jail sentence for stabbing a 37-year-old Salford robber to death with a samurai sword. ...

"As they fled you stabbed one assailant four times in the back," he told Lindsay.

"You took a life by deliberate retaliation using a lethal weapon you kept in your home when aware you were a high risk target."


The 3 guys that lived got 14 years each in jail.
 
I guess - as ever - initial facts are rarely complete. I had been wondering whether the whole thing was wrapped around dealing.

Even so .... unless the sword wielder was being booked on drug matters ... still seems like 4 onto one deserves some chance of a guy defending himself legitimately. The ''back stabbing'' aspect sure doesn't help tho.

More than meets the eye.
 
Oops.
Pardon me while I remove both feet from my mouth and come out from under my bridge.
Methinks I doth protest too much :p
Jeepers, a DRUG DEAL gone bad?
That NEVER happens here boy :rolleyes:

All they haddado was say that in the first place.

My apologies to the fine people of the United Kingdom for any and all of the implications I may have earlier stated. First blush and all that.

I'll probably be found lurking in the bushes for a while... I think that's still legal.

Back to your regulary scheduled posting.
 
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT THERE IS MORE TO A CRIMINAL CASE THAN A TWO PARAGRAPH BLURB WRITTEN BY A HACK STRINGER!!!

No, no, stabbed in the back! El Tejon is lying! Why in Tejas I can chase a man down the street and properly ventilate him!

Imagine a jury hearing about the evidence that was reported with this case was originally prosecuted and THRers said "this prosecution wouldn't happen in Tejas" would convict for manslaughter! Egad, what a thought, that the law, the law may have some bearing on one's use of deadly force.

The only dimwit around here who thinks that the law is involved in my Walter Mitty/can't happen in Tejas world is El Tejon and he's nuts! I feel that I need to bash England when I really have no idea how complex a criminal case can be or how dismal a job the media is at reporting a story that takes more than two (2) paragraphs.

P.S.--El Tejon is nuts, I wanna kill people cause it's my right and I just bought a new gun.:uhoh:

P.P.S.--Next El Tejon will be telling us on the prosecution of the Muslim chaplin in Cuber and Kobe Bryant is racist drivel disguised as the law.
 
BTW, no criminal case is as straight forward as the media reports. The media, out of ignorance and convenience, leaves most of the relevant facts out. This plays into the Passion of the Errornet as we just witnessed as well as the selective memory displayed when this case was originally prosecuted. How do you think I remembered that D chased homeskillets down the street and ventilated them in the back? I READ IT ON . . . [English accent activated--"wait for it"] . . . THR (IIRC).

I've detailed a sword case that I had nearly 3 years ago. Go back and look at that as a true case of self-defence (5'1" female uses "Conan the Barbarian" sword to break BJJ chokehold on her son. Arrested and convicted by the media. Because of defense re-investigation of incident, all charges dropped).

Remember, in criminal law, the answer is ALWAYS "it depends.":D
 
Time for England to return to the Common Law days when a man's home was his castle and there was no duty to retreat from one's castle.
 
Cold----

Hell, if all the players had been armed with guns maybe none of them would have been left around to go to trial. Also, FYI, in Madison, Wisconsin USA, (A/K/A " Moscow on Lake Monona") recently, a woman drug dealer shot and killed 2 very fooolish men who broke into her home and tried to rob her. No charges filed. Now that's civilized, even in whack-o Madison, WI.. :evil:
 
Looks like he might not have been completely inocent: Seems the guy who got 8 years was a drug dealer and on top of that chased them out of his house before stabbing them:

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A WALKDEN drug dealer was today starting an eight-year jail sentence for stabbing a 37-year-old Salford robber to death with a samurai sword. ...

"As they fled you stabbed one assailant four times in the back," he told Lindsay.

"You took a life by deliberate retaliation using a lethal weapon you kept in your home when aware you were a high risk target."

From what I can see, he wasn't charged with any drug crimes related to this incident; he was only charged with killing a robber in self-defense. We can argue the niceties of whether or not chasing them down should be a factor or not (did he stab the guy 10 feet outside the door, or 10 yards down the street?), but that doesn't change the fact that he was assaulted with a ranged weapon (i.e., one capable of attack outside of arms' length).

Had he not chased them, then it is certainly conceivable that one or more of the robbers could have stopped, turned, and fired on him. Since he did not have a ranged weapon (gun, crossbow, bow, spear, etc.) with which to defend himself, personally, I would be inclined to accept that he had little choice but to chase them a little.

As for being a drug dealer, so? In the U.S., even criminals have a right to self-defense, although the standards are a little higher for them to prove it. (I confess, however, that had he been killed, I wouldn't shed any tears over one less drug dealer in the world.)
 
paper, most assuredly chasing someone down does factor into whether one is acting in self-defense. The aggressor is not allowed self-defense as a defense nor is one who subject to attack by one who disengages and withdraws.

"Had he not chased them"???:confused: Is that a Motion to Change the Facts?:D

Chasing someone down and stabbing them in the back is a hard sell to a jury for self-defense.:rolleyes:
 
El Tejon is lying!

Who said you were lying? I (and iamkris) asked you for a cite, but in your hysteria you seem to equate that with "El Tejon is lying!". Sorry buddy, there is a difference.

Also, who, besides you, said anything about Texas?

For the record, I had my doubts about that case as reported, which is why I asked for a cite. You know, to show some evidence to everyone that what you said was accurate.
 
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