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UK: "The law has vanished...the police are completely demoralised."

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Zedicus, Oct 8, 2003.

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  1. Zedicus

    Zedicus Member

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    http://politics.guardian.co.uk/tories2003/story/0,13807,1057994,00.html
    Well, IMHO that is some of the Results of asinine laws such as ones that Outlaw Self-Defence.
    and it baffles me that the majority of the british people are simply sitting back and watching there homeland go to hell...
     
  2. agricola

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    Letwin has many good ideas there, hopefully he wont forget them if they win the next election.
     
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    Forever ago, in colledge, I remeber a study which took place in Kansas city, where the police were told to stop patrol, of any kind, on one side of town. The people of the city were not informed. The Police only responded to call's in the one area, and doubled up on patrol in the other. Both area's were basically equivilant socio/economic/whatever. If I remember right, this took place for at least a month, during this time, the un-patroled area suffered no ill effects. No rise in crime whatsoever. Patrol does'nt work well in the U.S. as a deterent of crime, this is pretty well established. What is different about the U.K.?:confused:
     
  4. agricola

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    keederdag,

    it works here because, in terms of thefts, the vast majority of our criminals are oppurtunists (and will run off or go away if they see Police), and in terms of assaults, the majority are drink (and thus usually pub/club) related, and from my experience people are less willing to fight in the presence of Police (and if they are, the damage is usually less than it would be if we werent there).

    Patrolling constables do stop these offences before they happen. Of course, what they are less likely to stop are those offences where the criminal is not behaving in an oppurtunist manner, and when he can pick and choose his time and method of attack. Sad to say it, but the armed robbery on the jewellers would have happened in any case.

    However its not just about Police numbers - there is a lot of infrastructure which the last Tory Government ran down, and which is almost at breaking point even now; the most obvious example of this being cell spaces (we run one person to one cell here).
     
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    One more step towards the police state.
     
  6. Zedicus

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    One More Step? We were there before this year started....
    CCTV Cameras on nearly every corner, In college lavitorys and classrooms, Use a Library/School/College PC for anything and it is all Recorded for later analasys "Incase" you "might" have done anything they don't like.
    At my local college if you dare go onto THR or www.swordforum.com or any simmalar site & they Will revoke your Internet access privlages and possably expell you...
    Use your Own Laptop in Class and they Accuse you of Illegaly using your own Software...Plug it into the network (with permission) and they try to expell you...
    (thank god I am done with that nut house)

    To put it short, there are CCTV cameras Everywhere, they have technology to not only tell them if you have a TV in your home, but it also shows them Exactly what you are watching on it, they are putting "black boxes" in newer cars that tell them practicaly everything you do with your car, It is allready well known that they Monitor all E-mails and Wireless Comunications, and we now have DNA Encrypted ID cards on the way as well as talks of Implanting Microchips in every person in the contry, and doing away with cash money in favor of 100% traceable electronic card money...

    It's not "closer to being a police state" It allready is, they just havn't made it offical yet...
     
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    todays Zedicus was brought to you by Nonsense. INC
     
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    Right.

    And they need the tools to empower themselves.
     
  9. keederdag

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    Agricola; your answer would be nothing is different in the U.K. The chances of a real, premeditated, crime taking place while an officer is anywhere near is about nil. Bar room brawls, sure. Home invasions, rapes, murders, kidnappings and even most car thefts, not much chance.
     
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    Well, yeah, sure, but look at the improved efficiency!
     
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    Those black boxes you speak of Zedicus? They have been in Corvettes now for 3 years over here. It is just like a black box on an airplane, as it records your driving style, what speeds you are doing and when, details of an accident, etc. It is scary stuff. I dont know what other vehicles have them, but I am pretty sure mine doesnt as it is 20yrs old and German.
     
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    Agricola

    Is Britain the only country over there that has a television tax; or are they unique?

    By the by ... Just why do they have a television tax and what is it for? Is it to prevent too many tellys sucking the signals from the air and causing blackouts at the television broadcasting stations?:D
     
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    When will government and the Brit public realize that ''protection'' from cops . in any country ... is a non-runner.

    Put ''bobbies'' on the beat ... great ... more pairs of eyes to see villains ... maybe some deterant value but ... these guys are unarmed ... not much chance against armed and determined drug driven thieves.

    It will IMO ALWAYS be the case .. that cops will only arrive in time to pick up the pieces. True they may be busy trying to weed out the BG's but ... overall .... they have precious little time for ''protection'' .. that's a joke. All the more reason why it is incredible that the British ''Joe Public'' is rendered defenceless .... to the extent that if he so much as bruises a BG he can be arrested and sent to trial.

    I am an ex Brit .... very ''EX'' .. I am ashamed of what has happened ... my heart bleeds for the innocents with no means of self protection ..... and I all but vomit every time I hear the phrase ''getting guns off the streets'' ..... purile nonsense but something which seems to ''calm the masses'' ..... or so the gov thinks.

    I know it won't change anything but ... the old saying .. ''an armed society is a polite society'' ....... is spot on. In that instance - you have citizens and not subjects ..... but in UK subjects are all people have been ... for a long time.

    That country lost the ''Great'' a long ways back ..... :(
     
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    Patrol was not suspended, but it was reduced significantly and the assets were assigned to another patrol sector. The results were no significant change in crime rate and the residents didn't notice the reduction in patrol assets. Likewise, the sector that did receive the increased assets noticed no change in crime and the residents noticed no increase in police presence.

    Pilgrim
     
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