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Contender in 7x30 waters

I just saw the article on the question on a hunting handgun. I just bought a
7x30 waters contender and love it. I know NEXT to nothing about it except, I bought it, put almost 2 boxes through it and,,,,,,, had 1 one shot kill of a 6 point whitetail at just over 160 yards. He managed about 6 steps before he dropped. Nice 139 pounder. I am about to go and really test the gun in about 10 days. The average range is 250-300 yards.
The person I bought the gun from said he often shot it 225-250.
I will not be the accurate esp with the 6x power scope. I am actively searching for its replacement.
My 15 year shot it and loved it, My father and 2 brothers both shot it and are each bidding on ebay as we speak. I hope this helps in your decision.
Lloyd
 
+1 for Contender. I like my .30-30 12" compensated hunter barrel with 2x scope. It shoots like a rifle, carries and handles like a handgun. I carry it in an uncle mike's shoulder rig. I don't care for the "hand rifles" like the old XP100 Remington, you know, cut off rifle stock with bolt action. I consider 'em a waste of a good carbine. I don't call it a handgun if I can carry it in some sort of holster. The Contender is a nice handgun. It's large, but no bulkier than all the new hand cannon revolvers out. And, in .30-30, you can reach out and touch 'em. The accuracy must be witnessed to be believed.

You can get whatever caliber you need to do the job up to .45-70 with a contender. If that ain't enough, step up to the Encore. .30-30 is all I need for deer and hog. Swap out for the .22 and I'm suddenly squirrel hunting.

A contender is the most accurate firearm I've seen mentioned in this thread. Hunting is about accuracy as well as power. The contender will rival a lot of rifles for accuracy. If you have a good rest, 200 yards is no problem.
 
Here's a shot of Xphunter's new "handgun". It's an Allen Precision Shooting 7 Dakota XP with Lilja 18" 7 twist barrel/Holland QD muzzle break/McMillan center grip/8.5-25X Leupold Mk4/TMR reticle. His load shoots the .8 BC 200 gr. Wildcat bullet @ 2700 fps mv, and has over 1700 ft. lbs. @ 1000 yds. IMO, this is the ultimate long-range big game handgun setup--

 
To each, his own. At one time I owned such, but sold it. I never have considered the pistol grip, short barreled, rifle caliber using mutants to be a handgun.
For handgun hunting, I would suggest a S&W 629 .44mag. I favor the 5" Classic.
It is great for woods carry in a hip holster, in the off season. For hunting you can keep the open sight's, or put on a holosight and push the range out to 100 yards. 240gr loads for Deer, and 310gr Garrett loads for Elk.
The 5" 629 along with a 5.5" .45LC Blackhawk, are my favorite hunting hadguns.
These two, make perfect Hunting and packing handguns.

Some other options are the .44mag Ruger Redhawk, .44mag Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk, and the Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk in .44mag or .45LC.
 
Okay, to expand on the previous post and answer the revolver vs hand rifle thing, "handgun" is subjective and the definition is up to you. While I used to think the contender was more a hand rifle, in my eyes now days, it is the ultimate hunting handgun system. It is still compact in a shoulder holster, still shoots like a handgun, and to me looks like a pistol, not a rifle sans butt stock. This is just my personal tastes, not rule of law, and others will disagree and call the Savage the cat's meow, but I just don't care much for rifle bolt actions with no stock, ain't a handgun to me. Again, this is subjective, no rule, just my tastes in handguns. If I'm going to hunt with a bolt action rifle, I'm going to keep the butt stock on it.

Revolvers in good calibers like .45 Colt and .44 magnum are fine to 100 yards and I've found that in my experience, it's danged hard to get a steady enough hold in the field to push ranges much beyond 100 yards anyway with a handgun. Out west, shooting over a day pack might give me more sand bag solid holds, but here in the eastern part of Texas, the grasses and terrain eliminate the possibility of getting that close to the ground. Actually, I'm shooting out of tripod stands or box blinds, usually.

That said, I still prefer the TC Contender switch barrel system. I go for 10-12 inch barrels for portability because they're more like a handgun. I shun the super 14s. They're beginning to resemble hand rifles with that length. Again, personal tastes only. The super 14 gets better exterior ballistics from a rifle cartridge, but I'd rather be shooting a shorter barrel gun. I currently have a 10" .45 Colt/.410 which when the choke is off is 7". That gun, with a scope, shoots about 7 moa, adequate for broad side shots to 100 yards if not stellar. A FANTASTIC shooting revolver will shoot about 4 moa, so this is not much off a good revolver. The chamber free bore is the culprit here, but with irons on it, it makes a very compact, powerful handgun afield. For serious deer/hog hunting (biggest game I chase) I have a 2x scoped .30-30 12" hunter barrel with built in compensator which really works to tame recoil. The .45 Colt will let you know it fired, quite stiff recoil with heavy loads. The .30-30 hunter barrel is about like shooting a medium frame .38 with light loads, amazing, but WEAR HEARING PROTECTION with it. I found that out the hard way afield.:banghead: It's not bad in the open, but in a box blind it can ring your bells. Handloaded with 150 Nosler Ballistic tip or Barnes 140 X bullet, this gun shoots about 1.5 MOA and is powerful enough to be good to 200 yards. It's throwing down nearly 1000 ft lbs at 200 yards, so 100 yards is NO problem and it's surgically accurate. My other hunting barrel is a superbly accurate .22 Rimfire with 2x scope. These three barrels will get anything I need doing done in hunting. I'd not mind adding a .223 barrel, but I don't hunt varmints and the .30-30 will do fine on coyotes. I'd like a .45-70, but again, the .30-30 with Barnes bullets is fine for Hogs. I read and article about the .45-70 once that called it a 150 yard sledge hammer. :D I cannot argue that point! I've been thinking of selling my IHMSA barrel (don't shoot IHMSA anymore) in 7mm TCU with its IHMSA sight and buying a .45-70 barrel. I could let the brass and dies go with it, too, should give me a good start on a .45-70 barrel and scope.

To me, a TC Contender or Encore with multiple barrels for multiple tasks is about as good as handgun hunting gets. I don't bother with my revolvers when I'm hunting anymore, one shot, one kill.
 
Well Steve for what it's worth, I've got a 16 inch super heavy bull barrel in 6tcu that is slowly coming to be at OTT. For the next one I'm thinking 222mag AI with a twist that will stablize those long heavy bullets. I wanna see if I can hit one of those 775yd PD's.

And I was just wondering, do you lab techs ever admit you spilled the blood, or do they train you to say, "the blood was clotted when it got here."? :D
 
Hmmm

May not be the "ultimate" hunting handgun but I've sure shot a lot of game with my 629 six inch. Ranges from 20 yards to 130 yards on white tail, three or four hogs, rabbit, squirrels, and various other odds and ends of small game. 275 grain Keith style SWC, at 1200fps. Deer and hogs fall in their tracks.
 
Ha-- touche' my friend-- u really do know us lab techs don't u?? Have u ever considered CRNA. Got a couple buddies that've been doing it for more than 10 yrs. now, and i make them pay for all our hunting trips--Hardy Har.

How's about Ray's 775 yarder? U know that was more fun than watching Ernie's super-long rangers.
 
454 SRH w/2x Burris

This will shoot 45/LC or .454. Even if you don't reload, you can find mild to wild cartridges. I've shot everything from varmints to all manner of bigger game. Some of the hot loads are both flat and powerful and can easily tag big animals over 100 yds with a good rest. I've taken hogs and deer at 80+ yds. Only complaint is the grips on the hot Casull rounds. I'm gonna try some AK grips.


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Maybe one of these days, actually was considering a WOCN, but right now I love what I do and that's more important than money. Dang near cost me a marriage to figure that one out.
Ray be the man, I hear that PD's tremble when they smell him downrange. Course I seem to remember a couple of fair shots coming from you and Ernie too. Ray was nice enough to sell me the blank I'm using for my new barrel, he's a good guy all around.
 
.257 JDJ Contender

Sold the 7x30 waters barrel on ebay. Got the .257 JDJ earlier this year from JDJ. I had to buy the dies and find some one local to load the rounds though. I need to learn to do that myself. Not expensive but just a pain to have someone else doing it.
.257 in a 15 inch shilen barrel. I am only target shooting at this point. Using 75 grain and a 101 bt. Amazing how two differant rounds can shoot so differant. The BT has been the better round to date but is more expensive to produce. I have not shot over 300 yards yet. Still trying differant distances. The loads are still going on the light side still as well. A couple more rounds through them and beefing them up each time.
I had ordered the .375 from JDJ but decided to cancel it. I don't need anything that size!!! I love the contender,, not really much of a handgun though with a barrel that size. Still easier to carry around than a rifle in my opinion.
Lloyd
 
Per post #30

1700 ft-lbs at 1000 yards means that the bullet has only lost ~700fps and it still travelling at 1957fps at 1000 yards....That's a big "I don't think so." With a 200 grain bullet, I'm having a hard time believing that. Not calling you a liar or trying to start an arguement, but the physics just don't add up quite right for that number to be realistic that far out. Plus, an 18 inch barrel, that's not a pistol, it's called a carbine without a rifle stock.

I like the 454 casull. You can shoot 45lc for plinking, and the casull rounds for putting down big game up to the size of an elk. All for much less than some juiced up TC style gun. But I have a friend who's brother owns several, and it's all he hunts with. Kind of a cult with those folks. I'm not knocking it, it's just out of my wallet's and desire's league.

jeepmor
 
Sorry about the 200 gr. error-- remaining energy is 1300 ft. lbs./1700 fps. @ 1000 yds. SAP, i believe/59 degrees/1000 ft. elevation

1600 ft. lbs. left at 1000 yds. SAP/59 degrees/9000 elevation.

forgot about conditions


Looks like that program didn't correct pressure for altitude-- the eskimo ballistics calculator does, so here's the most accurate 1000 yd. ballistics correcting sea level SAP for 9000 ft. elevation--

2700 fps. mv, 200 gr. .8 BC=

1950 fps, and 1680 ft. lbs.
 
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The BC I use on the 200 grain Wildcat is .825 and the MV is 2706. This is the BC I used at a elev of 2450 to match my trajectory in Nebraska. I averaged the typical elevation we hunt at in SW Colorado and plugged in 8500 feet. With the Kestrel and Exbal on the pocket PC I will have exact data in the field.
With that data in Exbal I have 1696 ft pounds energy and a impact velocity of 1954 fps.
I would need 2.25 MOA dialed in a for a 10 mph wind @ 1k (34.5 inches). temp and humidity are both set at 35 degrees/%.
Norma brass, Fed. match mag primers and Retumbo (match chamber-lightly turned necks) have given me excellent accuracy out to 1k off a Harris BR bi-pod. I haven't had an opportunity to shoot it further yet.
It would be normal to doubt the data given most bullets weighing 200 grains in 7mm. This is a ULD (Ultra Low Drag) RBBT (Rebated Boattail) bullet.
Hope this clears up any questions.
 
:eek: Could you maybe post a picture of this bullet? I've never ever heard of a BC that high. Best I've ever heard of is a 50BMG boat tail 750 grain bullet at around .750. 6.5mm bullets, the 140s, have BCs something over 0.5. 150 Sierra Game Kings in 7mm run .535 just off the top of my head and that is VERY high for a rifle bullet, let alone something out of a handgun.:eek: Not saying it ain't true, I just never heard of such a high BC before, kind of shocking.
 
You can take this or leave it,but my Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag. does just fine. Good range and very accurate plus no house selling required.
 
MC-- some of the big traditional custom 180 7's r approaching .7-- Berger, Cauterucio,etc. JLK's advertising .735 for their 180. There's another company-- can't remember the name now that's producing some very high BC bullets also-- used to advertise in Bugle magazine. The 300 Sierra MK is pretty high as well-- don't have that info with me now, as i'm at work. Isn't Hornady's 750 50 cal something like 1.05??

The bullet's we're shooting r Richard Graves Wildcat bullets right here-- www.wildcatbullets.com. The design is VLD, of course, but the weight helps drive the BC up quite a bit (hence the ULD designation). And when meplat-uniformed have given some very impressive vertical performance at 1K (besides probably helping with terminal ballistics as well). I'm getting around 2600 out of my XP 7-270 WSM, and had perfect performance on a 320 yd. lung shot buck last season. Of course, u have to have a 7 twist rifling pitch to stabilize it, but out of my rig on silhouettes out to 700 yds. the .8+ BC is matching the actual trajectory very close.
 
My favorite hunting handgun for years has been my S&W 629 6". It's killed many deer, 10+ hogs, 3 coyotes, a black bear and one unlucky 'possum. My soon-to-be new favorite is a S&W .460 XVR. 2,000 FPS and can also shoot .454 Casull and .45 Long Colt. Only reason it isn't yet is that I just bought it in the spring and haven't had a chance to hunt with it yet.
 
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