Un-Bubba'ing an SKS

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I admit it, I once Bubba’d an SKS. It was a Yugo, kinda Bubba’d to begin with, by the Yugoslavians, but I made matters worse with a TAPCO stock and quad rail, and all kinds of stuff. That rifle didn’t last for long. Had I returned it to its original stock I’d still have it today, grenade launcher and all.

After I recently scored an all matching 1959 Norinco I came across another SKS that had been Bubba’d in the ATI Ultralite stock, the gun shown below. As penance for the Yugo I decided to return the Bubba’d gun to as close to as original as possible. I've got nothing against those who alter their rifles following the School of Bubba, but it just isn't for me.

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Until I got the ATI stock off (a worthless thing with a side folder as wobbly as could be, that I cut off) I thought the rifle was another Norinco, but with the stampings in full sight I realized that it was a 1958 Romanian. That was a nice surprise and a nice score. But, I had already ordered the Chinese wood stock for it based on the assumption that it was a Norinco. That wasn’t a big deal. But, as I was going from a blade bayonet rifle (screwed barrel) to a spike bayonet stock (for a pinned barrel) I knew that the crossbolt location would be wrong interfering with the barrel and lug not, allowing for a proper fit. Again, not a big deal as the crossbolt could be trimmed (maintaining integrity) to allow for the fit.

The stock cost me $25 on eBay and was Chinese unissued, and in near perfect condition. The only metal on it was the butt plate assembly. This left me to order the crossbolt and trigger guard spring. Once I had the stock I verified that the crossbolt would have to be trimmed, a bit on the top and back surface to allow the screwed barrel to fit. I went slowly using less aggressive tools (Dremel) than I had so as to take off a dead minimum to get the fit. After about a half hour of grinding and fitting I was good to go. So, if you end up with a stock for a pinned barrel and have a screwed barrel rifle, all is not lost with a little trimming of the crossbolt. On the other hand, if you have a stock for a screwed barrel rifle it will fit anything. I also noticed that many stocks will not fit on Yugos.

The final fit between action and stock was nice and tight, and so much so that the trigger guard spring wasn’t necessary, nor would the trigger guard lock down when used. I’ll keep an eye on there and will do some fitting there if issues arise.

Next, I had to install a new wood handguard, that I also ordered from eBay. The color was deeper brown so the varnish and stain was lightly sanded off and the wood was dyed/stained in a two steep process to match pretty closely. I still have to hit it with some varnish. The issue here was that the wood was just a tad long so I had to alter the fit of the metal end cap with the gas block of the rifle. This was accomplished by grinding off just a bit of material on the nipple (where the pin is located) that fits up against the gas block, maybe 1/64th of an inch.

I was told that the rifle originally had a bayonet but that it had been taken off when the rifle was Bubba’d. Although the gun was made for a blade, I acquired a spike as my Norinco has a blade. The spike itself required some fitting back by the elongated hole as it was a bit too tight to fit into the lug. Other than that the spike was a perfect fit.

So, the rifle is back to pretty much it’s original configuration except for a Chinese stock and spike bayonet. The cleaning rod is a shortened rod from one of my Saigas and it fits/looks just fine. I’m 100% happy with the results. Doing this kind of thing may require a bit of fitting depending on what nationality of rifle and parts that you are working with. Other than the issue of Yugos and stocks, it seems like just about anything can be made to fit with a little bit of rather easy fitting. This project will vary from rifle to rifle and part to part, but this might give you an idea of what might be involved, a bit more than I had expected. It’s important to sit down when you are putting everything together and figure exactly what you need based on what you have. In this case it was a stock, crossbolt, trigger guard spring, and wood handguard. Total cost was $56 (not including shipping).

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Nice alteration,converting a Romanian into a Chinese.

I would have preferred a Romanian stock once I realized I had a Romanian, but the Chinese stock is is in new condition with nice grain and coloring.

That ATI stock was absolutely worthless. With the stock extended it was so wobbly, something that an SKS needs the least. For just the few days that I had it in the Bubba stock I ended up cutting off the folding stock as it was totally worthless and was bugging the heck out of me just being there :mad:

I think the important thing that I learned from all of this is that it isn't always a matter of just dropping things in, and that it often takes some fitting, across nationalities, and even within them. I did the research and was well prepared for the issue of the crossbolt, which I had anticipated, and would have had even if the action and stock were both Chinese. The handguard caught me by surprise.
 
On your old one, at least you didn't ALSO completely dremel off the bayo lug for weight savings as I did with my first SKS (a Russian :eek: ), in the mid-90s. Nice job there! :)
 
On your old one, at least you didn't ALSO completely dremel off the bayo lug for weight savings as I did with my first SKS (a Russian ), in the mid-90s. Nice job there!

Ouch, that really burns. You still have it?
 
Thinking about it, there are probably milsurp purists who would consider putting a Romanian action in a Chinese stock to be nearly as bad as the plastic stock.
 
there are probably milsurp purists who would consider putting a Romanian action in a Chinese stock to be nearly as bad as the plastic stock.
True enough. But at least he got rid of the 'tactical' garbage and restored the rifle into a more practical version that is close(r) to the original configuration.
 
From bubba to frankenSKS.

Yup, but I would argue still a vast improvement if plastic isn't desired.

I've noticed that the number of purists amongst SKS owners to be much fewer than with other milsurps, and less anal, so mixing a stock doesn't seem to be a major offense. It seemed a shame to waste a very nice Chinese stock that had been ordered in error. The idea was to return the gun to as close as original as possible. If the goal was "as issued" then it would be wearing a Romanian stock and a blade. The gun as restored visually meets that requirement and is recognizable as such. The gun as Bubba'd does not.

As I stated above, some will see my "restoration" on par with the gun as Bubba'd. I do not, and am only pleased that the gun appears as an SKS might have upon issue, if only of mixed nationality.

Also, try finding a decent Romanian stock that doesn't look like crap or isn't cracked. They are few and far in between, at least from waht I have seen, although I'm really not interested in one.

I would also note that with some rifles I would be a purist and care about 100% accuracy. With my Savage Enfield, M96 1902 Swedish Mauser, or my 1959 all matching Norinco SKS I would do everything to keep them 100% original, but with this non-matching formerly Bubba'd Romanian the effort would be impossible and downright silly. You pick your battles and sometimes just settle for what makes you happy, whether that is 100% original, a Bubba, or something in between. Sometimes there are compromises, sometimes not.
 
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Looks great. Next to the Russians, I like the Chinese stock the best. Worst comes to worst you can always strip it and throw it around the yard, than stain it dark. Viola, a Romainian.:D
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Ouch, that really burns.

Yes, yes it does. :uhoh: Just as my bubba'd Swede 96 that I did in the 90s also burns - badly (matching parts). :eek: I was uninformed, what can I say? :(

You still have it?

No, actually gave the bubb'ad Russian (which I had purchased pristine in cosmo for $125 OTD) to a friend (old friend from high school). I need to look up that friend and see if he still has it. Oh man, it had duckbill mags (which didn't work), folding stock, scope mount, the whole nine! Mr. Simonev is doubtless still rolling in the grave. :D

Luckily, I edumacated myself in the late 90s / early naught-naughts.

Storm, you have done your penance, so now have a chance of making it to heaven.
 
Looks great. Next to the Russians, I like the Chinese stock the best. Worst comes to worst you can always strip it and throw it around the yard, than stain it dark. Viola, a Romainian.
kid

Thanks! That's the great part of all of this, all the way from a Bubba to a "FrankenSKS" like this one, little if anything is permanent, and if you keep your parts, or keep an eye out for new ones, you can do just about anything with these things.

I agree about the Chinese stocks. The thing is that I would imagine that Chinese stocks, at least the early ones, would probably be very close in shape to Russian stocks, like my Norinco 1959, for example. The Russians had only set up the Chinese back around 1956, so the stocks are probably fairly close. Then, the Russian and Romanian are said to be close, so, and this might just be wishful thinking, but other than the wood used and stain the Chinese and Romanian might be close. I know, that's stretching it :scrutiny:

As to Bubba, I really have no problem with such projects. Heck, where I come form being called "Bubba" is a compliment, and some of my good friends are named "Bubba". And, as I've said, I've done a bit of Bubba'ing myself. Below is my old Yugo with TAPCO (a nice stock). If it wouldn't have weighed a bazillion pounds I might have kept it, but I'm sure it would be back in its old stock by now.

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BTW, if anyone wants that ATI stock shown in my original post just PM me with your name and address and I'll send it to you, First Class (or Priority as they are often close) USPS shipping is on me. I chopped that folding stock off but sanded off the area fairly nicely so it looks decent.
 
Storm, you have done your penance, so now have a chance of making it to heaven.

I'll settle for Purgatory ;)

I will do further penance next week. On Monday I will pick up from out of layaway a 1916 Spanish Mauser Short Rifle. Either there was damage to the stock or it was the beginnings of a Bubba, but someone cut off the front three inches of the stock in what suggests an attempt to sporterize it. While I suspect an aborted Bubba, it may well have been damage. Now that I see that my credit card has been charged I now have an original 1916 stock, as a replacement, on the way.

Last night I cleaned the stock of my 1902 96 Swede with Simple Green and I watched 107 years of grime wash away revealing beautiful grain. It's been lightly oiled and that will be that. The cleaning rod should arrive today or tomorrow. Some rifles you do the minimum, and that wash might have been too much to some.
 
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