understanding and defusing the Washington Post article

[Lucifer_Sam]

I've always felt that one of the main causes of this was that the killers get "glorified"-- the media just harps on and on about them. Got to about 1:48.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4&feature=youtu.be&t=1m30s

If you really want a cause, look there. And the most repulsive aspect is that they aren't doing it for some cause, they do it for profit. At least Antis have something they believe in, even if it is deluded.

Anyway, heres my thoughts put in brief, you'll have to fill in the blanks--

Media glorification is a main cause, killers name never being released would cut back significantly--his dying anonymously. We've had guns for decades but the school attack has increased with the 24 news cycle.

Less ability to institutionalize the mentally ill, and a AWB wont stop them.

AWB will not affect anything, there was one in place when Columbine happened, so some type of armed guards are needed. This attack could have been done with pretty much any weapon, even one allowed under a AWB

Worst school killing was the Bath School Diaster in the 20s where the attacker killed his wife, bombed his targets committing suicide in the last attack. Gee, that sounds familiar...

Would be penalizing millions and millions of law abiding citizens for the actions of one loony

And the statical anomaly is completely correct

There are a couple others I think, but they don't come to mind right now.

 

[Kynoch]

As a Brit who lost his handguns in 1997 I can see you guys having a real hard time over this.
When you have been called a child killer in public as you are gun owner,yet you have children of your own,thats hard to deal with.
And it will probably permeate into Europe.
You cannot defend against the emotional aspect of these occurrences.
Spouting statistics wont help your cause.
I predict a massive overhaul of your gun laws and I bet most of you will,with a heavy heart,agree with most of them.
These are,at the end of the day,your friends and families lives.
As shooters we are always a small minority of the population so are always at the bottom of the slippery slope.
And I have to say,apathy from gun owners will be another reason for your "loss" of "rights".
Have a look at the members here and how many have viewed or taken part in these posts.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but I have been there and have seen it happen in in other countries around europe.
In equal parts I feel sorrow for all the families involved for their losses and all the gun owners who are upstanding citizens without blame.
Tony

What sort of "overhaul?" Do you think existing US gun-control laws will be scrapped? Will the NFA become history?

I don't think your comments are harsh. I think they're apathetic. I think if new gun controls laws were enacted in the USA, it would take a bit of the shame away that you feel living in the UK.

 

[waidmann]

Along with the 2nd Am. our founders re-invented parlimentary government (thank God). If we take hit I expect it in the area of magazine capacity. The mag makes an ASW. Even NPR (National Public Radio) has this figured out. They also know the "Clinton Era Ban" was largely a joke, flawed in not banning all large capacity mags, existing and future. Flawed in being immersed in trivial nitwit concerns over bayonet lugs, flash suppressors and pistols grips. Most of my listening these days is directed to the other side. I promise they are smarter.

To the subject (not the citizens): If we had two years with Nancy Pelosi as a Prime Minister, you would be correct.

 

[barnbwt]

Part of the problem, I think, is that people try to rationalize an irrational act, and it simply cannot be done.

Natural instinct of a logical mind, is to apply logic--even where there is none. People literally drive themselves insane this way if they cannot break the loop.

My suggestion as the contribution to be offered by Gunowners to Americans, in an effort to not only allay their present fears, but also address a fundamental vulnerability of schools, is to promote concealed carry or ready access to firearms by teachers/staff in public schoolbuildings.

We already have invested great trust in teachers to look after our children during the day, and though most wouldn't say it, they would expect their teachers to give their lives defending their students, just as the parents themselves would. Teachers are trained and drilled to keep their students safe in an emergency. It is only right to give educators the means to perform their protective duty in an effective capacity.

This is a simple, fast, low cost, and likely effective solution to deter and mitigate any future school attack. The idea has a strong emotional appeal to those desperately seeking a responsible, powerful guardian to keep their kids safe while they are away from their children.

Gunowners are great at logical arguements, founded in that most logical document The United States Constitution. But we lack in emotional pleas and many people's though process is based around "right" being that which they feel the most strongly positive about, and "wrong" that which is anathema. We must understand and accept this in our arguments. The anti's paint us as soulless, uncaring jerks, and yet we throw facts back at them, reinforcing the stereotype.

We are passionate about this. We know we are right. We need to marry these two paradigms into arguments to convince both level-headed individuals, as well as those governed by their passions. Especially in times like this when that latter are much, much louder than reason.

TCB

 

[hso]

This is not a discussion forum.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=270671