Uniform National Transportation Laws

[ManBearPig]

This is just more of a rant thread.

I recently took a vaction down to Texas, driving from Missouri. In Missouri, you don't need a conceal & carry permit to have a loaded handgun in your car; you can keep it in your glove compartment. The same is with Texas. However, going through Oklahoma, you have to have it unloaded and in the trunk (I made sure to call both state's Highway Patrol before taking my trip).

So that's my rant.....having to unload the gun, put it in it's case, and put it in the trunk before crossing over Oklahoma's state line. We really really really need some uniform national gun laws; because that's just complete crap. "Excuse me mister Oklahoma bad guy, before you try to rob and kill me while I wait for AAA to come help me with my broken down vehicle on the interstate, could you wait while I go to the trunk and load my Glock 17?"

 

[Sam1911]

We do have a national transportation law regarding firearms, and have since 1986. Check out FOPA. Scroll down to the section on the "Safe Passage" provision.

There's your uniform national gun law.

Seems you want national reciprocity for your carry permit, or the abolition of gun laws in all states.

The problem with asking for those is that there's the chance that when such a compromise gets hammered out, some areas will be better and some worse than they were before. Or that in order to gain nationwide recognition, the permits from the more lenient states would have to be changed to be more restrictive or intrusive.

It isn't an easy problem to solve.

And you're worried about traveling through Oklahoma? Geez, dude...OK recognizes ANY permit from ANY state! How in the world more inclusive could you want it to be?

You should try living over here in PA, surrounded by places like MD, NJ, NY, and DC. You could carry your gun loaded and on your person through OK on any permit from anywhere... I can't carry mine loaded and on my person on any trip I take to the north, east (except for DE), or south, and there is no realistic way I could. I can only do so through OH and DE because I have yet another permit (UT). Further, heading through NY, NJ, MD, and DC, I run serious risks of having to spend time in jail and go to court to have the chance to prove that FOPA protects me -- just for transporting guns through the state unloaded.

Seems like an awful strong gripe for an easily surmountable problem.

 

[ManBearPig]

I don't have a conceal & carry permit. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that. So my only recourse is having a loaded handgun in my glove compartment; which is legal in my state. Mainly I don't have a coneal permit is because it would put me on a list, which I do not want; but that's another discussion for another day.

 

[NavyLCDR]

It is kind of humorous. The OP says we need a uniform nationwide gun transportation law because he has to lock an unloaded gun in the trunk in Oklahoma.... since that is exactly what the nationwide law that already exists requires!

 

[zoom6zoom]

If you're a gun owner you're already on any number of lists. One more isn't going to matter much.

 

[ManBearPig]

It is kind of humorous. The OP says we need a uniform nationwide gun transportation law because he has to lock an unloaded gun in the trunk in Oklahoma.... since that is exactly what the nationwide law that already exists requires!

I know we have uniform transportation laws about unloaded guns. My OP came off wrong on what I wanted. What I meant was uniform laws on being able to do what we can here in Missouri; being able to have a loaded handgun in the glove compartment even without a conceal permit. That is what I meant about uniform. I apologize that I worded the OP in a convulted manner.

 

[ManBearPig]

If you're a gun owner you're already on any number of lists. One more isn't going to matter much.

Not really. We don't have registration in Missouri. So I stay away from getting on a list by not getting a conceal permit. Also the same reason I won't get a Title 2; because of a list. I guess the only way I'd be forced to get on a list would be if the ATF up and decided to reclassify a Saiga-12 shotgun as a destructive device under the NFA (which I would not put it past them to do that)......then I'd be forced to register mine or sell it.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I could make a case for this particular national law pertaining to firearms transportation, that particular national law pertaining for recognition of concealed carry permits, or any number of others.

I believe the real case that needs to be made is for the Second Amendment, which has been national law all along. All the rest of it is window dressing on infringement.

 

[Frank Ettin]

I don't have a conceal & carry permit. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that. So my only recourse is having a loaded handgun in my glove compartment; which is legal in my state. Mainly I don't have a coneal permit is because it would put me on a list, which I do not want; but that's another discussion for another day.

Can't have everything.

I've never been too keen on just having a loaded gun in my glove compartment. Won't do me much good if I'm not in the car (and even if I am, it's not that quick to get to).

Personally, I want a loaded gun on my person. I can't have that where I live (nor even in my car's glove compartment). But with my stack of carry permits I can in a whole bunch of other States, including all those that border California.

I'm a lot less bothered about being "on a list" then I am not having a loaded gun on my belt when I'm traveling outside of California.

 

[Sam1911]

Guess that's where I fall, too...

Worry about what "they" might do someday with this list or that list that I'm probably already on ... if there is such a thing ... and if there is a "they" after all ... etc.

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Worry about needing a firearm tomorrow in the Quickie Mart or next week at the shopping center, or whenever I need one wherever I need one.