URGENT! Research for RKBA again: listen up CALIFORNIANS!
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Jim,
If Iive to be 95 I will have still lived in Kali the majority of my life. I live in KY now but I can't find employment anymore so I'm coming back to the PRK in the next couple of weeks.
I used to live in Pasadena ( 3 yrs ago, and 43 before that) . No fingerprints there. I went to the now defunct B & B guns sales in 2000 and was asked for a fingerprint on ammo for LA then. I gave it to them. It did no good. Every round I load I wipe clean of fingerprints just in case. I remember seeing a report that said the system was a major POS. Der!!!!
It is a crime we have no effective CCW in CA. I have one in KY and I will miss it.
I lived in Bakersfield for a number of years before I left the PRK. No fingerprinting for ammo there and no gun problem either.
PM me and I will do whatever I can to help in a few week when I am back
in the PRK. Sounds like the old Beatles song, "Back in the USSR". Same difference.
Russ
If Iive to be 95 I will have still lived in Kali the majority of my life. I live in KY now but I can't find employment anymore so I'm coming back to the PRK in the next couple of weeks.
I used to live in Pasadena ( 3 yrs ago, and 43 before that) . No fingerprints there. I went to the now defunct B & B guns sales in 2000 and was asked for a fingerprint on ammo for LA then. I gave it to them. It did no good. Every round I load I wipe clean of fingerprints just in case. I remember seeing a report that said the system was a major POS. Der!!!!
It is a crime we have no effective CCW in CA. I have one in KY and I will miss it.
I lived in Bakersfield for a number of years before I left the PRK. No fingerprinting for ammo there and no gun problem either.
PM me and I will do whatever I can to help in a few week when I am back
in the PRK. Sounds like the old Beatles song, "Back in the USSR". Same difference.
Russ
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toblerone
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CC SF & Oak
I've never been asked in Contra Costa, S.F. or Oakland, although it has been some time since i've purchased in SF or Oak. Do you need a specific date range?
I've never been asked in Contra Costa, S.F. or Oakland, although it has been some time since i've purchased in SF or Oak. Do you need a specific date range?
Jim March
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No, we've got all the data we need on this subject.
Mucho thanks for all participants.
Mucho thanks for all participants.
Carnitas
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Jim,
FYI for future requests. There's a California Club on GlockTalk now.
FYI for future requests. There's a California Club on GlockTalk now.
ClonaKilty
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Jim: it seems Ahhnold is very open to getting info from you guys. Is this new or was Davis just as open?
If Ahhnold started this it makes me feel better about him as guv -- at least he's reaching out for al the facts.
Added: please add me to the list of soon-to-be-leaving-CA-because-of-the-gun-laws. And trust me on this, I'm the kind of taxpayer CA WANTS to keep.
If Ahhnold started this it makes me feel better about him as guv -- at least he's reaching out for al the facts.
Added: please add me to the list of soon-to-be-leaving-CA-because-of-the-gun-laws. And trust me on this, I'm the kind of taxpayer CA WANTS to keep.
ClonaKilty,
I'd sure send a letter to Ahnold and let him know of your reasons, in detail - which I presume are not just RKBA reasons? (but regardless...)
Maybe Jim can direct you to the proper party to make sure your note gets read by someone who cares to do more than make a tick mark on a statistics sheet...
Just my 2 cents.
IMHO,
BB62
I'd sure send a letter to Ahnold and let him know of your reasons, in detail - which I presume are not just RKBA reasons? (but regardless...)
Maybe Jim can direct you to the proper party to make sure your note gets read by someone who cares to do more than make a tick mark on a statistics sheet...
Just my 2 cents.
IMHO,
BB62
Jim March
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This is SO new.
Trust me. Night and day difference.
We did have one very convoluted back-channel into Davis' office, for a while: Assemblyman Rod Wright is a Democrat and was an early Davis supporter. Rod is also really pro-RKBA, so while he was in office he basically was our back-channel. Not a very high-bandwidth connection though. Then he left office and we had squat.
Yup, and it's even better than that: he's consistently making sure that staffers who KNOW a given subject study the bills in that field as veto candidates for reports to his desk.
Nowhere is this more apparant than on gun bills. But he's doing it across the board. Decisions are getting evaluated on their technical merits, whereas under Davis the FIRST and foremost consideration was always political.
Night and day, folks.
Now, that doesn't mean that Arnold may not put HIS personal political spin on each bill once he has the analysis. OK? Some bills may get past him. SB1140 in particular looks like it might have legs due to the support of the district attorneys, and it's already been severely watered down from it's initial state.
Hmmm.
OK, here's the deal on that thing: right now, if a parent gives a kid PERMISSION to access a gun even when said parent isn't around, and said kid screws up and blows another kid's head off, the parent isn't liable. This is exactly what happened in Placer County. The Placer DA brought a bill to Jack Scott to fix that ONE issue. Scott got all gleeful, greedy and stupid and tacked on a pile of other stuff...the DA was actually upset at that.
*Most* of the Scott additions have been stripped out...for example, under the current revision of SB1140 you're now in good shape as a parent if you keep the gun loaded and locked in a bedside safe or behind a cable lock or similar, OR you keep the gun unloaded and the ammo nowhere near it.
Naturally, we don't want this to pass. One good argument against is that the definition of "loaded" is now being confused with this "ammo proximity" issue. But I suspect it's going to get to Arnold's desk, and I suspect he might pass it.
The situation is MUCH better for SB1152, the ammo registration bill. Y'all have helped there! That one's in big trouble as is SB1733, the Cow Palace gun show ban.
AB50, crapshoot, danged if I know how that one will play out. There's cost problems: the state would have to run a whole new awareness campaign like they did for the SKS, AWs, etc...money is so tight right now that will matter.
Jim,
Earlier in the thread you mentioned that the research and results of the ammo sale analysis would be presented in stark contrast to the lying/duplicity/etc. of the antis info.
Is/has their lowlife-like behavior more evident to Ahnold because of this and other efforts?
BB62
Earlier in the thread you mentioned that the research and results of the ammo sale analysis would be presented in stark contrast to the lying/duplicity/etc. of the antis info.
Is/has their lowlife-like behavior more evident to Ahnold because of this and other efforts?
BB62
Mute
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Jim,
My memory is a little spotty, but a few years back, Pasadena was asking for drivers licences with ammo purchases. They do not do that anymore. I think they might have found it to be less than a stellar idea. I think that would be a good place to check into.
My memory is a little spotty, but a few years back, Pasadena was asking for drivers licences with ammo purchases. They do not do that anymore. I think they might have found it to be less than a stellar idea. I think that would be a good place to check into.
railroader
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I think Mute is right. As I remember Pasadena was keeping records of ammo buyers and they quit doing it because it was a big hassle and wasn't solving crime. mark
Jim March
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Pasadena enacted ammo registration in 1995, revoked it as a waste of time in 1998.
redhead
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This bit of ugliness passed the Assembly yesterday and went back to the Senate for concurrence. I called Sen. Torlakson's Sacto office today and spoke with the staffer that answered the phone. I told her I was opposed, and she said she would deliver my message to him on the floor. For all the good that'll do - Torlakson is virulently anti-gun and never met a gun control law he didn't love. But, gotta make the call anyway.
:banghead: 
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