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Never heard of them, sounds like Katrina scammers targetting a new crowd.
 
a lot of local preexisting state level communties are throwing their support in. I know the ogranization here in MN that pushed through our 'shall issue' personal protection law is made up of some lawyers, and they are sending 'friend of the court' breifs over.

but really I am not sure how effective it is to simply pepper the court with 'friend of the court breifs'

So while I don't think this is a scam, I think it might be a few busybodies thinking they are the greatest legal minds of their generation and that their friend of the court breifs will be so enlightening as to make the justices decide correctly. And I don't think that is the case.

If you wish to donate money, I am sure you can do it more directly to the legal firms involved, rather than incease the number of 'also-ran' briefs
 
Buckeye Firearms is definitely not a scam organization.

Donate or not, your choice, but don't throw "they're a scam!" allegations around unless you're doing research to determine that.
 
Only a limited number of briefs, AFAIK selected by Mr. Heller & co., are actually submitted to SCOTUS. As this case has been planned for a long time, and is well-funded, I am curious as to where Buckeye et al fit in. Specifically, Mr. Heller must submit his brief by this Friday, and the amicus briefs AFAIK are due a week later. The solicitation notes they have been invited to submit, and need printing costs immediately (to the amount of $2500). If this is true, I bid them well and look forward to reading the brief; I do wonder about the supposedly short notice for a long-awaited/planned case, and wonder that such a cost (under such historic conditions) could not be addressed by a swipe of a Visa and fulfilled by current members.

Maybe I'm just cynical. Having followed this case for some time, I wonder what this group has to offer on short notice and no funds that no other established & funded group could not. A lot of groups feel they have something special to offer; only ~20 will be accepted. What makes this one special - with such little lead time?
 
Exactly what arguments will the Buckeye Firearms Foundation present in it's brief that will not be eloquently argued by the brief's we are sure to see from the likes of David Kopel, Randy Barnett, John Lott, Stephen Halbrook, CATO, GOA, etc., etc.?
 
Donate or not, your choice, but don't throw "they're a scam!" allegations around unless you're doing research to determine that.
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It may not be a scam, but it sounds hokey.

What you may not know is that our recently formed Buckeye Firearms Foundation has been invited to provide an Amicus Brief to the U.S. Supreme Court supporting the pro-gun side of the case.
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This printing is needed in the first week of February.
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This request seems awfully late. If they have invested hundreds or thousands of hours into this so far, why the 11th hour request for money? Where is the NRA in this mess? I would think they would be working hand in and with them.

In the coming weeks, we will set up a PayPal account to accept donations online.
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Cool, so they want to work with an anti-gun organization to raise funds in the future. :scrutiny:

This landmark case will decide whether the Second Amendment means what it says or whether anti-gun politicians can disarm citizens on a whim.
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It always bothers me when the supposed good guys feel the need to mischaracterize fact in order to gain favor, in this case, to gain my money. Given the legal process in creating laws in the US, now law forms on a "whim," but they make it sound like it does.
 
The Ohio Buckeye Firearms Association is a great organization.

To those that "never heard of 'em"....you ever heard of Google? Look them up and find out for yourselves before writing them off.

Yes, the briefs in this case are effectively being coordinated to maximize complementarity.

It's too bad that we can't learn more about who is writing what brief, and why. I think a lot of us would donate funds if we had more information. But that gets your strategy out there in public before it's necessary, which is just downright foolish. If you want to donate to the Buckeye group, you can rest assured that your money will go to a good cause.

Today the Heller/Gura (Respondents) Brief on the Merits is due. It should be posted later today. Then, a week from today, comes the flood of pro-Heller/pro-2A briefs.
 
I googled them last night. At first it appeared that they were a new group, but then I found some info about a name change at some point.

"The solicitation notes they have been invited to submit"

My question also is... invited by whom?

John
 
Buckeye Firearms is definitely not a scam organization.

Donate or not, your choice, but don't throw "they're a scam!" allegations around unless you're doing research to determine that.
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One guy with 3 posts is telling you "donate", and you do? P.T Barnum was right on the money.



I googled them last night. At first it appeared that they were a new group, but then I found some info about a name change at some point.

"The solicitation notes they have been invited to submit"

My question also is... invited by whom?

John
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I am so happy we have organizations like Buckeye looking out for me, reminds me of the travelling preachers in the days of yore, "Purrrraise Jesus and pass the plate."

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I do wonder about the supposedly short notice for a long-awaited/planned case, and wonder that such a cost (under such historic conditions) could not be addressed by a swipe of a Visa and fulfilled by current members.
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I think your whole post deserves a standing ovation.
 
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One guy with 3 posts is telling you "donate", and you do? P.T Barnum was right on the money.
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No, George, it's not. A campaign being run by a pro-gun organization which I've supported for several years is the reason I donate.
 
"What you may not know is that our recently formed Buckeye Firearms Foundation has been invited to provide an Amicus Brief to the U.S. Supreme Court supporting the pro-gun side of the case."

Okay, the BFF is" recently formed" and has been "invited to provide." Invited by whom is the question. And why at the last minute is the next question.

I've sent a fair amount of money around the country for various purposes, but they need to be very well defined and well thought out purposes. At this point I have more questions than answers.

And don't tell me to e-mail them and ask. I don't work that hard when it comes to donating. I need to hear a concise presentation or it's on to the next good cause.

John
 
The jaded citizens might not care...

"The jaded citizens of the District have essentially
given up on the police and the administration, resigning
themselves to living as victims"

Okay, the District has crime, a bad 911 system and some lousy cops and a lot of lousy politicians.

What does all of this have to do with the 2nd Amendment? Are they simply arguing that guns are needed because there are a lot of crooks in D.C.? Why. Shouldn't they be arguing that the right to own and possess guns is protected, end of story, based on the writings of the Founding Fathers?
 
Maybe (hopefully) they're cooperating with others writing briefs to cover everything. They handle the "they need guns to protect themselves" argument, the NRA brief covers another aspect, GOA covers another, etc.
 
Okay, the District has crime, a bad 911 system and some lousy cops and a lot of lousy politicians.

What does all of this have to do with the 2nd Amendment? Are they simply arguing that guns are needed because there are a lot of crooks in D.C.? Why. Shouldn't they be arguing that the right to own and possess guns is protected, end of story, based on the writings of the Founding Fathers?
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Amen

Justice Scalia: So, your argument is that because the police force is not up to a certain standard then the Second Amendment applies. What if the DC'S police force was efficient and full of nothing but good cops. Can they then ban handguns under the Second Amendment ?
 
Maybe (hopefully) they're cooperating with others writing briefs to cover everything. They handle the "they need guns to protect themselves" argument, the NRA brief covers another aspect, GOA covers another, etc.
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Bingo!

They are all in communication and are providing each other with material and ideas.

The A2A brief will cover the colonial period leading up to the 2nd Amend and thereafter.

Another group will be doing a brief on the common law origins... English BoR's, Blackstone, etc..

Yet another group will do what is called Brandeis Brief, which will examine the statistics and various comparative models involving degrees of gun restricions and the effects thereof.

The list goes on and on... and they are all in contact with each other coordinating the whole thing not merely to provide a counter, but to demolish all of the arguments presented by DC and their amici.

They are good enough to do it.
 
Sounds like a case of too many chefs in the kitchen. The argument is pure and simple, is the second an individual right or a state "right". Instead of just focusing on that aspect, they are inviting their own possible failure by introducing unnecessary additions, like one too many chefs in the kitchen. Now I'm getting nervous. BTW, C-span reported this evening that 55 Senators are so far in support of lifting the DC ban calling it contrary to the second amendment.
 
Ah ... they did submit a brief, and it is rather good! A bit light on strict legalism, it does make clear that DC has gone to great lengths to deny citizens any personal/private armed protection, and subsequently mismanaged the police department into gross ineffectiveness while achieving legal protection of both its monopoly on force and its failure to apply it.

Remember: the judges live in DC. What is addressed in this brief is not an abstract concept.

Now that questions about the brief have been settled (it exists, it is good, it has been submitted, it is part of Heller before SCOTUS), us naysayers owe Buckeye a donation.
 
Wow, I'm sorry I didn't see any of this commentary a few days ago. I've been busy working on gun rights stuff for BUCKEYE FIREARMS!!http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/

Anyone who is familiar with me posting here on THR knows that I am a leader with Buckeye Firearms. We ARE NOT some fly by night organization. We are Ohio's foremost 2nd Amendment Rights organization. We were nationally recognized by being awarded the Grassrooots Organization of the Year by the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and CCRKBA (Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms). http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/3988We also recently have been awarded a Proclamation by the Ohio House of Representatives. http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5364We have been recognized nationally by many different people including Rush L., Michele Malkin, FoxNews, we are regular guests on NRA News, and so on. We are all 100% volunteers with no one on the payroll, and we all donate thousands of hours a year to protect your gun rights in Ohio.

Buckeye Firearms Assoc. is a PAC. We work on getting pro gun politicians elected, so that we can improve our gun laws. Because BFA is a PAC, we can not fund lawsuits, which is what the DC v. Heller case is. We formed Buckeye Firearms Foundation, which is a 501(c)3 organization. We can use the donations from BFF to fund the Amicis Brief that has been written by Buckeye Firearms Legislative Chair, Attorney Ken Hanson, along with 2 other attorneys. They all did pro bono work on this equaling hundreds of hours of free legal work. Ken donates hundreds and hundreds of free hours a year to gun rights in Ohio. He is a very brilliant attorney, and certainly does not fit the typical bill of being the bad attorneys we all hear about.

Here is a link to the article on our website and you can click the link to read the entire Amicis Brief that we are submitting. http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5410 It is incrediably expensive to submit a brief, but we were INVITED to do so by the lead counsel for the case. It is our honor to have Buckeye Firearms name on our brief. We took ZERO money from outside sources to fund this.

By the way, the original poster for this thread is one of our leaders, Steve.
 
Jimmie said "Wow. They really hammered the cops. I wonder how that'll go over."
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When an attorney is asked to file an Amicis Brief, they are "assigned" a subject matter that they must stick to. They don't need 50 different attorneys writing on the same angle or subject. The subject matter of our brief is what was assigned to us.
 
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