US Army signs contract with Remington (M4s)

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The M4 contract should have been out for bid to multiple contracts years ago. The military allowed us to get screwed by Colt for years with the over priced M4. It's about time they started paying the proper price. $675 is a lot less then what Colt was getting.
 
The M4 contract should have been out for bid to multiple contracts years ago. The military allowed us to get screwed by Colt for years with the over priced M4. It's about time they started paying the proper price. $675 is a lot less then what Colt was getting.

Umm Actually not. That is about the same price that they were getting them from Colt for. The overall cost was higher but that includes the Rail, etc. The $675 from Remington is for the basic gun. Add on the Knights rail and you get up to what they are paying currently.
 
Well, im glad to learn that though its fn, its made in america. I learn something new everyday and never clame to know everything. Are the military berretas made in the US plants
 
what this now means is that remington, dpms, bushmaster, are the golden standard of ar15's, by which all others are judged, and why would anyone buy something substandard like colt, d.d., or noveske when they can get a real deal r15, sportical, or bushmaster?
 
No, I doesn't mean that just any Remington, DPMS, or Bushmaster is good to go upper tier kit and fully guaranteed to be milspec.

A number of us have been saying exactly the same thing about Colt - only the inspected and accepted issue weapons in Government inventory are "milspec," because they have been fully certified as built to the specifications, have the paperwork, and the final Inspectors sign off.

A 6920 - no. Sorry Colt fans, all this does is point that out - not milspec, sorry. Now a Remington could be just as "Not Milspec" as a Colt.

No government package of documents, not milspec. No signature, not milspec. Colt, Remington, LWRC, Bushmaster, Sabre: got your papers? No? Not milspec.

If Remington turns out a LE version with all the mispec parts except full auto, it's your guess whether it's just as good. After all, Colt didn't even forge parts - they bought platters out and machined them.

If you buy milspec parts and assemble them, it's accepted, and issue, what's the difference? After time goes by, reports of weapons in service come back, and a real reputation is built.

Entirely why COLT LOST THE M16 CONTRACT TO FN. But Colt fans don't like being reminded about that.

And now Colt has lost, at the very least, exclusive rights to the M4 contract. All that really means is that they aren't the only supplier. Brand fans are going to need to accept the simple fact that others can build something to the TDP, which is just blueprints and operating reliability.

FN does it, Beretta can certainly do it, they are fielding a competitor in Italy, HK can do it, LWRC can do it, Harrington Richardson did it, GM Hydramatic did it.

If you can build a three speed automatic that transmit 450hp for 250,000 miles, you can build a firearm that shoots full auto reliably for 50,000 rounds. It's not black magic, just engineering.

It's not what sticker you have in the back window, it's really whether you can use it to its full capability. One M16 to another, the only difference I saw was the roll mark. Frankly, that's just advertising legally required. Whatever it was just launched a bullet - albeit better and more easily than a lot of others.

The best thing that could happen is for most of the speculation to die down to dull boredeom, and nothing much come out of it. When Remington becomes just another supplier of M4s, the best thing will have happened, not because they were somehow better or whatever, but because they were equally useful when needed. That's the real requirement, not a bunch of hoopla for Brandinistas who need ego enhancement because they own one.

And if that doesn't quite work out, well, no worse than Colt. Don't forget, they lost a contract more than once.
 
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Talk about not understanding govt. contracts. The lowest bidder meeting the specs and convincing they can build the firearm gets the job. You guys that thing bushmaster ever was one of the top of the line ar's or colt for that matter should broaden your horizons.
 
You guys that thing bushmaster ever was one of the top of the line ar's or colt for that matter should broaden your horizons.

maybe you should broaden our horizons. what is a top of the line ar?
(those two you mentioned happen to be the only two brands ive ever owned)
 
So is the consensus that Remington ARs will now be worth more solely because Remington is on contract to provide DoD M4s??? Even with the above-mentioned differences between the "milspec" M4 and the AR you pick up at a LGS?

I should have seen the thread hijack coming....
 
Having the contract does not mean a commercial offering will necessarily be to the same standard as those for the military.
 
Too bad no actual facts support your claim that they are better. In fact it is quite the opposite.

How many facts do you have that show us that the AR's in Flyinbrian's safe are NOT better than the Colt's that Flyinbrian has owned?

Can you please show me some test results using FlyinBrian's guns?

No? Didn't think so.

Don't confuse experience with trends. It makes you look silly.
 
Since the M4 must be made to the Technical Data Package, it doesn't matter who makes it. It ensures the products meet a minimal threshold of quality and consistency. I'm not sure what the distribution price is on Remington items but the distributor pricing on Colt's 6290 isn't that much lower than the cheaper vendors. If Remington can meet TDP for cheaper, more power to them.
 
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The three prong M-16 I took to Vietnam in 1967 was put together better than the Colt H-bar I bought in the 90's. It endured the sand, the rain and the mud and never refused to play some beautiful rock and roll when needed.
 
Saying that Remington has the same quality as Bushmaster and DPMS is a bit unfair just because they have the same parent company. Remington has always had higher quality products than either Bushmaster or DPMS. It's like saying Lexus and Toyota are of the same quality.
 
Saying that Remington has the same quality as Bushmaster and DPMS is a bit unfair just because they have the same parent company. Remington has always had higher quality products than either Bushmaster or DPMS.

Remington doesn't have the same quality as bushmaster and dpms. Remingtons ARE bushmasters and dpms.
 
This does not mean that Remington/DPMS/Bushmaster is just going to start shipping the military the same stuff that it has been selling to civilians. The government is pretty incompetent, but even they aren't that dumb. The military versions will have to be made to the exact same specs as the Colt M-4s were.

It will be interesting to see whether RemlinchesterPMSmaster starts selling rifles made to the mil-specs on the civilian market as well, or whether they will just have two different production lines (one for military and one for civilian).
 
I do not see why they still put the big clumsy front sight blade on these anymore.

The 1x scope should be sufficient.

Oh what a beautiful gun! And to think we were stuck with the M16A1 in my day.

Evolution is definitely a good thing.
 
UMW union contract in their NY plant expires 1 year into this new DOD contract. Hopefully the scabs making the warfighter's weapons know what they are doing.
 
If you guys thought FN is a foreign company, wait till you see the DoD offering assault rifle contracts to the Germans ...

http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/213511-spine-chilling.html

What are they going to do next: offer an aircraft-carrier contract to the Japanese?


I like THR very much but I resent the misplaced patriotism which showes every now and then, especially when showing lack of knowledge.
Al weapons produced by FN for the US military (M16, M249, M240 and M2) are produced in the FN Manufacturing LLC plant in Columbia, South Carolina.(not sure about scar, I think that is made in Belgium)
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About deliverin to other countries: FN does not sell M16 to anyone other then the Us, it's not even in their catalogues. Don't forget the Us deliverde weapons to Sadam and the Mudjahedin in Afganistan and even sold Tomcats to Iran.
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Yes, I agree with you that most DoD contracts offered to foreign armament companies require them to build factories here in the US (like the Beretta 92) to assemble the weapons but the ultimate profit still goes to the foreign company and those are tax-payor monies flowing out of the country.

Furthermore, are we saying that there is not a single company here in the US that is willing to produce high quality assault rifles at a competitive cost?
 
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