USA: "Ex-Insider Becomes an Outsider on Gun Issue"

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/07/n...00&en=e2530570e2bcbbc7&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
Ex-Insider Becomes an Outsider on Gun Issue

By FOX BUTTERFIELD


Back in 1982, a young lobbyist for the gun industry got the California Legislature to pass the first law in the nation granting gun makers immunity from lawsuits.

Partly on the basis of this achievement, the lobbyist, Robert A. Ricker, eventually rose to be the executive director of the American Shooting Sports Council, then the main gun industry trade association.

On Wednesday the House of Representatives is scheduled to take up a bill to grant sweeping federal immunity against lawsuits to gun manufacturers and dealers, the only industry that would have such protection.

But Mr. Ricker, who lives in a Washington suburb, will not be there. Instead he will be testifying in a federal courtroom in Brooklyn as the main witness for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in a suit against the gun industry. It contends that handgun violence disproportionately harms poor, urban blacks and that gun companies have contributed to this by the way they distribute their products.

Mr. Ricker is also likely to be a central witness in a series of lawsuits by cities against the gun industry.

His testimony could be powerful. He has said in an affidavit that gun makers have long known that some of their dealers corruptly sold guns to criminals and juveniles but pressured one another into remaining silent for fear of legal liability.

The story of how the soft-spoken Mr. Ricker, 52, a native of a small Indiana town, went from being a gun industry insider to its first major whistle-blower is not the usual stuff of a best seller — of threats or private detectives following him.

Instead, both he and his wife, Eileen, a teacher who was a Republican legislative aide, say his decision to testify against the gun industry was more a result of a gradual realization that much-needed changes were being held back by the dominance of the National Rifle Association.

"It wasn't as if I had a sudden awakening," Mr. Ricker said in an interview near the Capitol, where he works as a consultant and lobbyist for some gun companies.

The critical events happened in 1999 when, as executive director of the shooting sports council, he was negotiating with the Clinton administration to make changes in the gun laws. Mr. Ricker was prepared to accept findings by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms that less than 1 percent of dealers accounted for more than half of all guns used in crimes. And some manufacturers, at his prodding, were ready to monitor their dealers to weed out these corrupt few, he said.

But under pressure from the rifle association, which regards any gun-control measures as likely to lead to the confiscation of all Americans' guns, Mr. Ricker's organization was disbanded and he lost his job. :scrutiny: Hmm? Motive?

"You have a situation where you have a bunch of right-wing wackos at the N.R.A. who are controlling everything," Mr. Ricker said.

"A lot of people in the industry were prepared to make changes, to even negotiate a settlement with the cities over the lawsuits," Mr. Ricker said. "But we have Charlton Heston and Wayne LaPierre dictating to us on guns," he said, referring to the two top officers of the rifle association. "People in the industry are scared to death of them, because the N.R.A. leadership can start a postcard writing campaign by its members and pretty soon the gun companies are afraid of losing sales."

Then in 2001, Mr. Ricker went to hear arguments before the California Supreme Court on the constitutionality of the immunity law he had been instrumental in passing two decades earlier. The lawyer arguing against the law was Dennis A. Henigan, director of the legal action project for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

"Afterward Bob came over and said we should sit down and talk," Mr. Henigan said. "I was very surprised. But I had dealt with him before and he was always moderate and nonideological, and we suddenly found we had a lot in common."

Mr. Ricker's criticism of the rifle association is paradoxical, because he began his career in the gun industry in 1981 as a lawyer for it.

His first task, he recalled, was to work on preparing what was called the Gun Owners' Protection Act, which undermined the powers of the federal firearms bureau. Today the rifle association has made an effort to minimize whatever Mr. Ricker did.

"He was employed as a staff attorney for the N.R.A. for two years, over 20 years ago," said Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the association. "It was a nonmanagement position. In his brief stint with the N.R.A. he did not have any accomplishments of note."

Last week at a Congressional hearing, Mr. Ricker said hello to several association lobbyists, but they did not look at him. "It was as if I had been sprayed with something and made invisible," he said.

One former gun industry friend said Mr. Ricker's problem was that "he was not a true believer" in the gun rights cause. Mr. Ricker does not entirely dispute that. He did not grow up owning a gun. When he was in high school, he worked for a farmer who shot rabbits to cook for lunch, so Mr. Ricker was familiar with guns.

But during summer vacation in college, he worked for the water department in Gary, Ind., shortly after the race riots there. "I was out fixing broken pipes in the streets, and I had to watch out for gun violence," he said. "So I saw both sides."

Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company
 
I wonder if the Klan will end up being a co-litigant. NAACP stance on blacks with guns looks like it was taken directly from the KKK playbook. :rolleyes:
 
The description of what he was doing is a bit misleading. Wasn't the NSSC a big part of the Smith and Wesson negotiations, plus the effort to get other makers on board? I thought that was why it was changed to the NSSF.
("Disbanded" is a strong word--my understanding is that a lot of NSSC members and staff are in the NSSF, minus some people who, like Ricker, weren't with the program.)
 
Don,

Don't expect accuracy from a supposed news story that contains this phrase: "the rifle association, which regards any gun-control measures as likely to lead to the confiscation of all Americans' guns," :rolleyes: (And it was the ASSC, not NSSC, which I think were two separate organizations.)

"Hey, Fox, your bias seal has a leaky gasket!"
 
Interesting, how it is stated that compromising in those lawsuits is seen as a "resonable" solution. After all, it's not like the gun manufacturers did something wrong, right? :rolleyes: We have all seen where settling lawsuits gets us. Just look at the tobacco suits.

If it's all the same to this twit, I'll stick with the "no compromise" NRA leadership (warts and all), if you don't mind. We on the pro gun side have been compromising long enough.
 
One wonders as to the possibility of Mr. Butterifeld of the NYT, with this "story", having finally found his very own "Lost Chord"?
 
We need a loser pays system. A lot of these would go away or never see the light of day.

Nonsense. That's the last thing we need. All kinds of little people with real life problems would get no justice. Is that your solution to all this?

Didn't think so. :banghead:
 
"The critical events happened in 1999 when, as executive director of the shooting sports council, he was negotiating with the Clinton administration to make changes in the gun laws."

It still amazes me how one can enter in negotiations with those that have nothing to give up?
 
Carlos:

Re what you posted, it appears below:
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We need a loser pays system. A lot of these would go away or never see the light of day.
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Nonsense. That's the last thing we need. All kinds of little people with real life problems would get no justice. Is that your solution to all this?

Didn't think so.


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and your mention of "the little people", you certainly aren't saying that these "little people" would, in any way at all, benefit from the frivilous law suits being brought against legitimate business operations, the NAACP action being just one of the above mentionefd frovilous suits, are you? Say it isn't so.
 
Nonsense. That's the last thing we need. All kinds of little people with real life problems would get no justice. Is that your solution to all this?

Not being a lawyer, still less an assault lawyer, I'm in over my head in technical terms; I'm sure, however, there's a way to hold losers accountable for court costs in frivolous law suits without holding them accountable in legitimate suits.
 
But Mr. Ricker, who lives in a Washington suburb, will not be there. Instead he will be testifying in a federal courtroom in Brooklyn as the main witness for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in a suit against the gun industry. It contends that handgun violence disproportionately harms poor, urban blacks and that gun companies have contributed to this by the way they distribute their products.

Yawn. Maybe things would be different if a disproportionate number of poor minorities didn't choose to use a gun illegally in mostly miserable and doomed attempts to solve their social/financial problems. I have nothing against poor minorities (I probably envy most rich minorities a bit, just like I do most other rich people). A very few arms manufacturers may even be part of some right-wing plot to legally supply guns to blacks on the presumption that they will, more often than not, be used to decrease the black population. However, that's not illegal, and until the Government asserts that we are in no way responsible for our actions, it'd better not become illegal.

Is it any wonder that racists continue holding their views when primary historically -involved pro-equal-rights entities like the NAACP start spewing this drivel? The proper response to continued racism or discrimination is, aside from shooting or deporting real racists for being incompatible with our society, continued legal and political pressure, and perhaps even civil disobedience to highlight particularly egregious continuing violations of civil rights. They're gaining nothing by pandering to the left-leaning left, dragging a substantial portion of the black population with them into left-of-left land.

Also, out of curiosity, how many gang shootings can be qualified as involving poor minorities, and how many involve rich (from drug sales) minorities? Since it's rather difficult to determine unreported income, I have serious reservations about the NAACP's assertion that these are all poor people. Not that I have anything against drug dealers per se, provided they aren't pathological of course.
 
Traitorous bastich...

Anyways, this is another lawsuit where people are attempting to blame others for their sorry situation. Criminals can't be at fault, it must be the people behind the product. Heaven forbid it be the actual murders, robbers and rapists that are at fault...
 
Regarding this discussion and in particular, the NAACP suit against gun makers, et al.

The following is a copy of a Letter To The Editor at Gun Week (www.gunweek.com), I recently wrote. Readers might find it interesting.

Editor:

The following might well offend some, life is tough, though that does not make me a racist, as some would likely have it. Most certainly, my comments will fail most any sort of PC test, so be it.

Getting on to the point, one notes, re content of the lead article, 1 April issue, the following. The NAACP, in it's suit against the firearms industry, claims that "gun companies have failed to take steps to lessen the impact of handgun violence that disproportionately harms poor, urban blacks".

Exactly what "steps" the industry might possibly take, short of quitting business, is not stated, so far as I can tell, but let that pass. What strikes me as particularly interesting, is the following. Anyone who feels like it, correct me if I'm in error on the following, but it turns out that while poor, urban blacks might disproportionately fall victims of criminal action involving firearms, to a significant extent, the hands that wield the firearms are those of "urban blacks".

Yes, the situation is certainly a sad one, but Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Colt and any others one might add to this short list are not at fault, which the NAACP leadership us well aware of. It strikes me that they might perhaps gain and hold greater credibility if they placed blame where it properly belongs, rather than seeking scapegoats, which is obviously what they have chosen to do.
 
Mr. Ricker was prepared to accept findings by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms that less than 1 percent of dealers accounted for more than half of all guns used in crimes. And some manufacturers, at his prodding, were ready to monitor their dealers to weed out these corrupt few, he said.
Would someone please clue me in as to what the job of the bATFE is? Are these not the same people tasking with enforcing federal firearms law? What does it say about institutional competitence when they agree to their own finding that they are not doing their own job. Then to compound the problem then admit they need the assistance of the very people they regulate.

The bATFE needs to simply disappear. We are looking at INS-scale incompetence.
 
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