USDA to require microchipping of privately owned food animals...

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Yeah, something along those lines.

I will be the one with the headlines about some hermit who lives up a holler and had some unregistered goats and pigs and fowl and he got shot trying to argue who truly "owns" stuff if you don't have full control over that stuff you are being told you own.
 
I understand why they are doing this. Scrapie and CWD will be more traceable and also these diseases seem to have a genetic component. However my main complaint is that the price of this sort of stuff will be borne by the farmer who is in the red anyway.
 
Food? What food. Those bunnies are named tastes like chicken, white meat, and tasty, they are pets.

What about that pig? Yeah thats porkchop and he is my pet too.

Those steer? Yeah his name is T-Bone and that is his brother Ribeye, yep they are pets too.

They really think they can enforce this for the guy that buys an animal to butcher himself?

Big cattle ranchers maybe, but the guy with one or two pigs? Real good use of our tax dollars.
 
What this is going to do is make living rural much harder and it will result in more net immigration into cities.

In time this would mean that rural areas will return to a state of wilderness and the cites will be full of managed people.

So a big win for enviros, and your standard issue control freaks. A big loss for everyone else.

Cities will be like huge people ranches where cameras and in auto GPS trackers will keep tabs on everyone, where banks will be required to report on anything "out of the ordinary" with a person's bank account. Where all the services will be government run and taxes are very high to pay for them. there will be UK level weapons laws. All of the most idiotic labor and enviromental laws will be enforced along with every other anti-buisness regs you have nightmares about. So there will be no way to really improve your standard of living except to take the coin of the realm, or going underground.


What is truely sad is that after a few decades it will be "how things are supposed to be" a whole generation of people will have no clue at all about how things were.

Even sadder is that so-called conseraitives will in that same time frame come to view anyone that wants to live free of these onerous restrictions as being a "dangerous radical" that gets what's coming to them when the boots kick in the farmhouse door. Much like you see with other issues today.
 
I did not read this article but the last one I read said they were going after most animals that were pets and food, like pot bellied pigs and stuff.

I think cats and dogs and maybe rabbits were not going to be done.

On the rabbits I reckon you could drown them with paperwork since rabbits will do what rabbits will do.
 
This is ALL about Control.

Many folks like pax have taught their children "life lessons" or parenting by - if nothing else letting the kids have Easter Chicks. Then one day they learn the true meaning of "running around like a chicken with its head cut off".

Freedom continues to take hits. I suspect next folks here in the South will not be allowed to grow herbs. I can just imagine the headlines. "70 year old couple busted for growing mint and sage for personal use".

Folks "look down" upon the moonshiners and poachers of yesterdays. Well for many it was a means of getting money / barter for other goods or services. I recall as a kid the difference in a family needing food and taking only what needed - in season or not- versus the slob hunter.

They didn't ask for dole, none to be had anyway. Sure didn't appreciate being meddled with.

These moonshiners and poachers , more honest and trustworthy than the Gubmint IMO.

Use Enought Q-Beam
 
biere said:
I did not read this article but the last one I read said they were going after most animals that were pets and food, like pot bellied pigs and stuff.

I think cats and dogs and maybe rabbits were not going to be done.

On the rabbits I reckon you could drown them with paperwork since rabbits will do what rabbits will do.
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I *did* read the oregon site, and it is devoted to livestock destined to market oh exhibition. There was no mention of tracking those chickens or cows or pigs or guinea fowl or rabbits for personal consumption. Depending on your state, YMMV, however.

Problem is this: the food supply is generally safe, but when it fails, due to economies of scale (aka factory farming), it fails BIG TIME, and once the animal hits IBP in Omaha its distributed throughout the US. It is essentially impossible to track that animal's whereabouts as the current system stands.

i don't think this is aimed at my 4 Chickens, or the cow that my neighbor wants in her back yard. Its aimed at 5k cattle operations--where the finish lot is shared with 15k OTHER heads of cattle from various herds), and factory chicken farming that handles fowl in lots of 500 or 600 at a time.

I am not defending this, but it is clear that we are very dissocated from where our meat comes from.

just a few thoughts.
 
I can't wait to see how the Feds plan on enforcing this one in rural Arkansas.

Ha!

It'd take them decades upon decades to enforce this on just the cows in rural Arkansas.

I plan on getting some contraband, unchipped goats to clear land in the not-so-distant future.

But good luck enforcing this one.

hillbilly
 
hillbilly,
ASP and others "just thought" catching all the 'young un's' coming over the bridge from OK on Friday nights with booze bought was hard...

They still have them ranchers in convoy going to market up there? Wanna set up a concession and have treats for this show?

Dear .gov,

Moffit is where you want to stay...right near the river.

Steve

:evil:
 
HankB said:
About 20 or 30 years ago, when the "farm crisis" was in the headlines, some congresscritter from a farm state (Iowa? Nebraska? Don't remember too long ago) made some noise about banning private backyard vegetable gardens because people who did so "hurt" farmers by not buying their produce. :what:
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They can have all of my potatoes after they take my ammo. One round at a time.
 
Standing Wolf said:
I think we need to put chips in our elected misrepresentatives, not cattle and pigs and chickens and whatever all else we eat.
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This is all fine and dandy thinkin' but the truth of the matter is that when something breaks in our system of food delivery, it breaks bad. Not some case of botulism--that happens all the time from food in grocery stores, but real honest to golly e. coli and other bad stuff.

Some sort of system *is* needed to track where the food came from and make sure that it is quarantined if necessary.

I think we might want to rethink our reliance on huge feed lots, but hey...thats anti-capitalist. What do I know anyway? I am a "Food Nut" as well as a gun nut. I like raw milk, and fresh eggs (nothing stranger than eating food that came outta your *pets*). I like real bacon from real pigs, and steak from real cows. Pass the cream please. I need something to go in that Clam Chowdah.


*edited to correct a glaring spelling error*
 
I think the first step will be at the point of sale, When you take your calves
to the livestock auction barn; the chip will be implanted. Probably in the
ear, similar to a ralgrow pellet. Most big farms will chip all their herd.
If the small farmer does not want to do this, I can't see any problem
for them.
 
one45auto said:
That's nothing. Give it time and everything will be chipped - including firearms and us. :uhoh:
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If all of my communication can be direct brain-to-brain with 1024-bit RSA encryption encoded with a quantum-derived one-time-pad, it's a fair trade. Besides, I'd love to have a solid-state video scope built into an underbarrel light unit, or a trigger that doesn't pull to the left. :D

You'd be amazed what you learn about reading Slashdot.

(especially if you read their politics section :uhoh: )
 
i don't think this is aimed at my 4 Chickens, or the cow that my neighbor wants in her back yard.
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Well, this is still in early stages, however, from the USDA website , in the "draft Strategic Plan:
under the proposed plan, all locations that hold, manage or board animals will be required to have a unique Premises Identification Number by January 2008.
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O'kay that settles it ----------I'm taking my gun and knife outside right now gotton get that pig in the freezer before the Feds come by. Good grief........ I think they should go after the so called organic chicken people first.
 
War on Poverty
War on Drugs
War on Terror

and now...

the War on Food

so who is surprised...?


Hmmm ... I think it might not be too safe to enforce this one out in the hinterlands where all of us rustics are armed and dangerous.

Molon Rabbit :p
 
Monsanto probably likes it...

The Monsanto Pig (Patent pending)

The patent applications were published in February 2005 at the World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO) in Geneva. A Greenpeace researcher who monitors patent applications, Christoph Then, uncovered the fact that Monsanto is seeking patents not only on methods of breeding, but on actual breeding herds of pigs as well as the offspring that result.

"If these patents are granted, Monsanto can legally prevent breeders and farmers from breeding pigs whose characteristics are described in the patent claims, or force them to pay royalties," says Then. "It's a first step toward the same kind of corporate control of an animal line that Monsanto is aggressively pursuing with various grain and vegetable lines."
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I saved a link from a Reuter's new story about this several months ago, but the story is no longer available ( http://today.reuters.com/business/N...RIDST_0_BUSINESSPROCO-BIZMONSANTO-PORK-DC.XML ). I found the same article on the Greenpeace website using Google ( http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/monsanto-pig-patent-111 ).
 
Hawkmoon said:
But the .gov has already established that growing your own food "affects" interstate commerce, because you DON'T buy food from another state.

That's the rationale the SCOTUS applied in ruling that a man growing his own marijuana in California, legally, for medicinal purposes, was subject to Federal law. They decided his personal growing "affected" interstate commerce.

That's one SCOTUS ruling that I hope a new court will overturn, sooner rather than later. When we start ruling that items which are obviously not in any way in interstate commerce ARE in interstate commerce because they allow us to NOT engage in buying items that are in interstate commerce ... the inmates are truly running trhe asylum.
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Let's see-----sewing my clothes,curtains,napkins,pillow cases heck just sewing affects interstate commerce. So does me cutting my own wood and burnig it. So does me bailing my own hay. So does me doing my own painting, deck building,carpeting, oh any thing I do for myself afftects interstate commerce. Hell I affect interstate commerce by being born and living and breathing ,reproducing or not and eliminating my own waste. Maybe I am to regulated by the State through the interstate commerce clause. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Good grief! I've never read so much tripe from so many chicken little's in quite awhile, or since the last thread anyways:p ! Anybody ever heard of Mad Cow? A couple of years ago it was all over the news and yes blown way out of proportion but that's wha the media does. Of course the Feds don't expect to put a chip in every animal, this is just a way for the gov. to make all those soccer moms feel safe about little Joey's hamburger and also to appease other markets. I grew up on a ranch and still help my family out a lot. That Mad Cow scare was real and put a lot of farmers on notice. The cycle of an animal from birth to weening to sale then to feedlot and finally to the packer and then to the consumer is vast, crosses lots of statelines and is hard to track the thousands that are slaughtered every day so that we get our Whopper. BTW your hamburger patty probably contains meet from not one but several different animals, nothing wrong with that, just the way it is. Also countries like Japan still won't allow us to sell in that country due to the MC scare, the chip thing is one of many to appease those markets so that American farmers can do business with them. I know the Isolationists won't like this but farming is just like manufacturing, electronics, etc, it's a global market and price and we must be able to compete in it.
BTW just to give out some facts, MC does not exist in meat it is a protein and only exists in brain and spinal cord tissue. I would be more than happy to eat a steak from an animal with MC. Your hamburger meat could be trickier since during the deboning process some spinal tissue can get tossed in with the meat.
If an outbreak of MC or H&M disease appears it is paramount to identify the source, where it was processed and where it was raised so that the rest of the herd and any other animals in contact can be destroyed and the original source of the disease can be found. The ID program will be a good asset for this(of course success is not guaranteed) and is no big deal since it can be implanted while we do our regular livestock workings, vaccinations, brandings, worming, de-horning:eek: ,etc.
 
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