Texan Scott
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I don't know where to go once you go to the postmaster for the entire state.
Personally, I'd go complaining to my Congressman. 'Course, mine might actually take my side ...
I don't know where to go once you go to the postmaster for the entire state.
The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded
Our local post office has a big sign on the wall, no firearms. They will not mail firearms unless you are an FFL. I have brought documents that proved I had the right to mail a firearm to an FFL. They just shrugged their shoulders. I went to the post master general in Raleigh. He said it was the way the firearm was packaged. I asked him about the sign on the wall. And he said that meant no concealed firearms.
I don't know where to go once you go to the postmaster for the entire state.
According to the one USPS Postal Inspector I've spoken to it's MY choice. In the last five years I've shipped over 400 handguns and dozens of rifles and shotguns via USPS (from four different post offices)......NONE have asked me to open the box or provide written certification. Why not? I appear to know what I'm doing.YZDogtownQuote:
The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded
I think you misread this as giving you the choice between the two. What it says, they, the Postal Service, may ask you for either. The paragraph is intentionally ambiguous, in order to give the Postal Service employee a broader discretion in the public interest.
I believe it is a Federal Crime for an airline, airport, or TSA to add any label to the exterior of luggage containing a gun. I don't think it applies to the mail and or even the passenger. That would be governed by common sense.You're kidding?:banghead:
Why not just write STEAL ME on the box?
You do know its a violation of Federal law to mark the shipping container in a way that identifies the contents as a firearm, right?
Do not allow an employee to dictate her own version of the rules. She is an employee.From the second I started speaking with the counter person I had an inclination this was not going to be a normal day: attitude.
I have been told that they would not ship a firearm regardless what paperwork I had or what I was told. I called up the local and district post office, the usps online and was still told, no. It seems like it depends more on who you get, than what the law says. You can't argue with someone who says no and walks away or tells you on the phone no way is that going to happen, you will only get a heart attack. I found Pak & ship is the best alternative, they seem to know more about who can do what than the actual shippers.
I always end up with Fedx overnight.
You know I got a Xmas gift when I was 17 that I for the life of me could not figure out what it was. The box was about two feet long and about a foot wide and weighed about 8 lbs or so.. When I opened it found out it was a 30-30 Model 94 Winchester that they removed the buttstock on and placed beside the rest of the rifle making the box shorter. Might be a way to disguise what is actually in the box for mailing as well.('it was in a Remington box'..)
"Why not just write STEAL ME on the box?..."
I had covered up the label that said 'Remington', but it's pretty hard to disguise a box made to fit a long arm.
Fair enough but what if they ask?It seems to me that the O.P. just is creating his own problems. I can not find a requirement that the mailer must declare that he is mailing a long gun as defined by postal regulations.
14 Restricted Matter
41 General
411 Definition
Restricted matter includes articles on which mailing restrictions have been imposed for reasons other than risk of harm to persons or property involved in moving the mail. Motor vehicle master keys and intoxicating liquors are examples of restricted items.
412 Mailer Responsibility
The mailer is responsible for ensuring that all Postal Service requirements, as well as all federal and state laws and local ordinances that apply to the shipment of an article of restricted matter, have been met.
433 Mailer Responsibility
Even though certain types of firearms are permitted to be mailed within the provisions of the postal law in 18 U.S.C. 1715, it is the mailer’s responsibility to comply with all federal and state regulations and local ordinances affecting the movement of firearms.
432 Mailability
432.1 General
The following conditions apply:
a.Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as “handguns”) are nonmailable in the domestic mail, except as permitted in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.1
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b.The disassembled parts of a handgun or other type of nonmailable firearm that can be readily reassembled as a weapon are nonmailable, except as permitted in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.1 or 601.11.2.
c.Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are generally permitted, as specified in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.2.
d.Unloaded rifles and shotguns may be mailed if the mailer fully complies with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90—618) and 18 U.S.C. 921. The mailer may be required to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not excluded from mailing because of the restrictions in 432.1b and c.
432.2 PS Form 1508
PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, must be completed by each firearm manufacturer or dealer who deposits firearms for mailing. The form must be filed with the postmaster of the post office of mailing.
432.3 Packaging and Marking
No markings of any kind that indicate the nature of the contents may be placed on the outside wrapper or container of any mailpiece containing firearms. Mailable matter must be properly and securely packaged within the general packaging requirements in DMM 601.1–8.
As a aside to the O.P. I always double box any firearm that I ship in a oversize box with plenty of Styrofoam, peanuts and bubble wrap.
http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm#ep290147