Notice in neither alleged incident were the children injured. They had been educated one way or the other on what to do - leave the gun alone, tell an adult. This shows that education, not disarmament, is the key to gun safety. Without education, if a criminal throws away a crime weapon and kids find it, you have a death despite the fact that you have disarmed concealed weapon permit holders. Mitch
-----Original Message-----
From: John Spangler [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:02 PM
To: Brian Judy; Ace Billiards; Bill Scott; Bryan Lindsey; Eric Lichtenberg; Leonard Wojcik; POOH01; Woody Powell; Bob Templeton; Jim Dexter; Mitch Vilos
Subject: Park CIty School Board anti-gun
Friends- Article in today's Deseret News describes Park City's reluctant compliance with state law. They plan to vote on asking the legislature to ban permit holders from carrying in schools at their next meeting on November 18th.
It would be good to get some pro-self defense people at the meeting (and letters to board members before hand) to protest their foolish insistence on the "Columbine Security Plan" whereby criminals are ensured that they will not encounter any resistence.
As a minimum, we should seek to have them WAIVE IMMUNITY FOR BOTH THE DISTRICT AND THE BOARD MEMBERS PERSONALLY for any damages suffered from illegal weapons in schools. After all, "It's for The Children."
John Spangler
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,525035811,00.html
Park City also wants to keep schools gun-free
By Stephen Speckman
Deseret Morning News
Make that two school districts that are being vocal about their disagreement with a new state law that allows concealed-weapons permit holders to bring guns into classrooms.
Salt Lake City was the first, adopting a resolution in September that asks for schools to get equal "protection from weapons that is afforded private residences and houses of worship."
Park City School District's Board of Education began considering Tuesday a resolution that also asks the state to keep their schools gun free. Park City and other districts have policies that now reflect state law, but philosophical defiance of that law is gaining momentum.
"We reluctantly changed our policy to conform with the new law," said superintendent Dave Adamson. "However, because our board still disagrees with that law, we wanted to be clear about that disagreement." He'd like to see an exception made for schools.
Board members are expected to vote on a final resolution Nov. 18.
After that, the plan is to send copies to key lawmakers, including Senate Majority Leader Mike Waddoups, R-Taylorsville, who sponsored the gun bill that won the governor's approval last legislative session.
Waddoups said he intends to seek clarification of SB108 in the next session, in part because of a court ruling that allows one university to continue its ban on guns.
Opposition to the law first emerged when the University of Utah, a state-funded public institution, took to court its 25-year-old policy that bans guns on campus. A 3rd District judge upheld the policy in August, but the Utah Attorney General's Office last month filed a notice of appeal.
"We're not trying to put guns all over campus," Waddoups said. He just wants to see that permit holders retain the right to carry guns in non-secured areas. That means all public schools.
"I don't want guns in schools either," Waddoups added. "But until we can keep all the guns out, permit holders will be allowed to carry theirs."
That attitude hasn't set well with some school districts.
Salt Lake City was the first district to fire a shot at the law. Not just stopping at a resolution, the board of education has gone so far as to order signs that "urge" permit holders to not bring their weapons into school.
Looking like a "STOP" sign you'd see on the road, it reads, "Please help us keep our schools safe and free from drugs, weapons and violence." The signs are being printed and should be at entrances to all 38 of the district's schools next week.
Salt Lake and Granite districts both had policies before the law that barred employees from bringing guns to work. That has changed.
In Park City, concern over the law stems from the potential for "unintended consequences," Adamson said. Those might include someone putting a gun in a purse or coat and then either leaving it behind or it being stolen.
"I can't imagine anyone would intend to inflict harm in a school," he said. "But accidents do happen."
Cases in point, a 12-year-old boy last year found an unloaded shotgun a man mistakenly left next to a recycling bin at Viewmont Elementary after he unloaded newspapers. Around the same time, three sixth-graders found a gun accidentally dropped by a man who was walking his dog in the schoolyard at Mill Creek Elementary — the man had a concealed weapons permit.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Spangler [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:02 PM
To: Brian Judy; Ace Billiards; Bill Scott; Bryan Lindsey; Eric Lichtenberg; Leonard Wojcik; POOH01; Woody Powell; Bob Templeton; Jim Dexter; Mitch Vilos
Subject: Park CIty School Board anti-gun
Friends- Article in today's Deseret News describes Park City's reluctant compliance with state law. They plan to vote on asking the legislature to ban permit holders from carrying in schools at their next meeting on November 18th.
It would be good to get some pro-self defense people at the meeting (and letters to board members before hand) to protest their foolish insistence on the "Columbine Security Plan" whereby criminals are ensured that they will not encounter any resistence.
As a minimum, we should seek to have them WAIVE IMMUNITY FOR BOTH THE DISTRICT AND THE BOARD MEMBERS PERSONALLY for any damages suffered from illegal weapons in schools. After all, "It's for The Children."
John Spangler
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,525035811,00.html
Park City also wants to keep schools gun-free
By Stephen Speckman
Deseret Morning News
Make that two school districts that are being vocal about their disagreement with a new state law that allows concealed-weapons permit holders to bring guns into classrooms.
Salt Lake City was the first, adopting a resolution in September that asks for schools to get equal "protection from weapons that is afforded private residences and houses of worship."
Park City School District's Board of Education began considering Tuesday a resolution that also asks the state to keep their schools gun free. Park City and other districts have policies that now reflect state law, but philosophical defiance of that law is gaining momentum.
"We reluctantly changed our policy to conform with the new law," said superintendent Dave Adamson. "However, because our board still disagrees with that law, we wanted to be clear about that disagreement." He'd like to see an exception made for schools.
Board members are expected to vote on a final resolution Nov. 18.
After that, the plan is to send copies to key lawmakers, including Senate Majority Leader Mike Waddoups, R-Taylorsville, who sponsored the gun bill that won the governor's approval last legislative session.
Waddoups said he intends to seek clarification of SB108 in the next session, in part because of a court ruling that allows one university to continue its ban on guns.
Opposition to the law first emerged when the University of Utah, a state-funded public institution, took to court its 25-year-old policy that bans guns on campus. A 3rd District judge upheld the policy in August, but the Utah Attorney General's Office last month filed a notice of appeal.
"We're not trying to put guns all over campus," Waddoups said. He just wants to see that permit holders retain the right to carry guns in non-secured areas. That means all public schools.
"I don't want guns in schools either," Waddoups added. "But until we can keep all the guns out, permit holders will be allowed to carry theirs."
That attitude hasn't set well with some school districts.
Salt Lake City was the first district to fire a shot at the law. Not just stopping at a resolution, the board of education has gone so far as to order signs that "urge" permit holders to not bring their weapons into school.
Looking like a "STOP" sign you'd see on the road, it reads, "Please help us keep our schools safe and free from drugs, weapons and violence." The signs are being printed and should be at entrances to all 38 of the district's schools next week.
Salt Lake and Granite districts both had policies before the law that barred employees from bringing guns to work. That has changed.
In Park City, concern over the law stems from the potential for "unintended consequences," Adamson said. Those might include someone putting a gun in a purse or coat and then either leaving it behind or it being stolen.
"I can't imagine anyone would intend to inflict harm in a school," he said. "But accidents do happen."
Cases in point, a 12-year-old boy last year found an unloaded shotgun a man mistakenly left next to a recycling bin at Viewmont Elementary after he unloaded newspapers. Around the same time, three sixth-graders found a gun accidentally dropped by a man who was walking his dog in the schoolyard at Mill Creek Elementary — the man had a concealed weapons permit.