Va. Gov proposes gun show background checks

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Published: 1/8/08, 6:46 PM EDT
By KRISTEN GELINEAU

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Gov. Timothy M. Kaine on Tuesday proposed requiring background checks for everyone who tries to purchase firearms at gun shows - legislation he called critical to helping prevent tragedies like the shootings at Virginia Tech.

In Virginia and most other states, people can buy firearms from private, unlicensed sellers at gun shows without going through a background check. Such checks are required for sales by licensed dealers, whether they are at gun shows or somewhere else.

Attempts to expand background checks in Virginia have failed repeatedly, but the latest effort has support from relatives of several of those killed or wounded by a mentally ill student at Virginia Tech. Some of the family members joined Kaine for his announcement Tuesday at Virginia State Police headquarters in Richmond.

"If by doing this, we can keep one family from having to go through what these families have suffered, it will be the best thing that the Legislature will do this year," Kaine said.

Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech before committing suicide April 16, passed a background check and bought one gun from a store and a second online despite having been deemed mentally defective by a Virginia court.

Kaine has since signed an executive order requiring that anyone ordered by a court to get mental health treatment be added to a state police database of people barred from buying guns.

Opponents of expanding background checks argue that it infringes on Second Amendment rights and note that Cho did not purchase his weapons at a gun show. Those in favor of changing the law say it will help keep weapons out of the wrong hands, and argue that Cho would have gone to a gun show to purchase his weapons if his initial attempts to buy them had been thwarted.

"This has been a bill that's been a challenging bill in the past; let's be realistic," Kaine said. "But I think people have an awareness of how a loophole that might seem theoretical, as was the case in April, could lead to very, very serious harm."

The governor said the background checks take just minutes to conduct and insisted they would not unreasonably burden gun owners or sellers.

Andrew Goddard, whose son Colin survived despite being shot four times, said he takes exception to the argument that closing the loophole would inconvenience those trying to buy firearms.

"There's families here that have been incredibly inconvenienced," Goddard said after Kaine's announcement. "My son was very inconvenienced by the shootings. And if it takes a few extra minutes for a law-abiding person to get a gun from a non-licensed dealer, then I hope that they can put up with that inconvenience."

Kaine's announcement coincided with President Bush's signing of a bill Tuesday authorizing as much as $1.3 billion in grants for states to improve their ability to track and report individuals who shouldn't qualify to buy a gun legally, including those involuntarily confined by a mental institution.

Last month, Kaine proposed legislative reforms aimed at fixing mental health system failings exposed by the shootings. Cho had been ruled a danger to himself during a court commitment hearing in 2005 but never received the mental health treatment he was ordered to undergo.

Virginia's legislative session begins Wednesday.

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legislation he called critical to helping prevent tragedies like the shootings at Virginia Tech.:rolleyes:
No need to go into details, this is just more gun grabbing BS…
 
No surprises here.
Kaine has been a virulent anti-gunner from the get go.
This legislation will do nothing but put gun shows out of business if it passes.Which is unlikely in Virginia.
Folks will just move to the parking lot or to their own living rooms or back alleys or wherever.It's ridiculous ,feel good ,Socialist stuff.
 
Folks will just move to the parking lot or to their own living rooms or back alleys or wherever.It's ridiculous ,feel good ,Socialist stuff.
Ding ding ding!!! Correct!!!

Those in favor of changing the law say it will help keep weapons out of the wrong hands, and argue that Cho would have gone to a gun show to purchase his weapons if his initial attempts to buy them had been thwarted.
And then he would've gone to some back alley in DC, Baltimore, Richmond, or Alexandria. Or just bombed the place.

Say it with me folks: You can't legislate crazy.
 
Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech before committing suicide April 16, passed a background check and bought one gun from a store and a second online despite having been deemed mentally defective by a Virginia court.
What is the point of this proposal again?
 
Instead of voting for Jerry Kilgore many pro-gun Virginians got their panties in a knot and voted for Kaine because Kilgore didn't fill out a VCDL questionnaire. To those people, I hope you're happy with what you got. I didn't vote for the slug!
 
The Virginia Tech shooter bought his guns from a licensed dealer AND was approved by the NICS background check! What will this legislation change?
 
Gun-rights advocates say the measure is unnecessary and McDonnell questioned whether there are reliable statistics that show to what extent these private sales put firearms in the hands of criminals.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-news_clash_0109jan09,0,2524923.story?page=2

Ok guys dont get caught up in the media hype this will not pass many local tv news channels have reported that this is very unlikely to pass as there is 1. not enough evidence to suport the new law and 2. No where near enough suport to pass it in the general "ass"embly
Relax take a deep breath and .........drink beer be happy
 
This legislation will do nothing but put gun shows out of business if it passes.

I don't think it would affect the gun shows, there are not that many non-dealers anyway. Well... other than the beef jerky, steamer trunk, and air soft vendors.

At gun shows around here you will usually see two or three collectors, and a few individuals walking around with something to sell But private sellers are a really small part.

The worst part is it sets the stage for further restrictions on transfer of private property from one individual to another. The thing is, if I sell a car to someone I am not considered an unlicensed car dealer, if someone comes over for dinner I'm not considered an unlicensed food service, if I buy a house directly from an individual I'm not considered an unlicensed real estate agent. But if I sell a gun to an individual I am automatically an unlicensed gun dealer. Strange.. huh?
 
Like anyone would do that anyway. I'd just complete the sale in parking lot across the street from the show to avoid the check
 
Eric F has it right (I hope). This has been before the GA every session for the past couple of years. The VT tragedy is giving it more legs in the media but I doubt that it will get any more votes than it did last year.

What has me really worried is the microstamping bill :eek: (okay, not really)
 
Gov Kaine is misguided. the solution is (1) in incorporating the dept of mental health records into the background check- the shooter was well known to the system (2) allowing legal guns to be carried on campus by students and faculty who could have dispatched this threat
 
I heard the media call the Virgina Tech shooting the worst mass murder in American history.

I seem to recall a man, I believe in NY or somewhere up in yankee land, who thought his girlfriend was cheating on him with another man in some disco. He chained the doors shut and poured gasoline on the roof, killing over 70+ people.

To this day, you can by gasoline with no background check!
 
I reached a whole new level of p!ssed-off watching that lying scum-bag tonight to the point that I finaly just turned the TV off. I have some words for him on the up-comming lobby day! [fume]
 
"The legislature, which last night greeted the proposal with silence, has resisted erasing the exemption."

- from this morning's Richmond Times-Dispatch article on his speech last night.
 
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