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Valuable Video - Magazine Capacity Myth

Discussion in 'Activism' started by hso, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Upjn5DR0o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

     
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  2. Big_John1961

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    Excellent demonstration. I should show this to a few libs I work with. Proof's in the pudding.
     
  3. ccsniper

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    good vid.
     
  4. Solo

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    Just curious, but why was he faster with 10 round magazines than standard capacity magazines?
     
  5. MedWheeler

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    I wonder how many of these libs are ready to step up and volunteer to "tackle" a gunman when he stops to replace a magazine now..
     
  6. Akita1

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    seemed like he was pulling the trigger a bit faster?
     
  7. Derek Zeanah

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    Inlined it for you.

    Ken Campbell looks different in uniform than at Gunsite, or when hanging around at SHOT.

    I think it's the brown hat...
     
  8. David E

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    This will only "prove" that imposing a 10 rd magazine capacity limit won't be a burden, so what's the problem with passing a hicap mag ban?
     
  9. Big_John1961

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    One thing I did notice is that both of these shooters have been trained to leave one round in the pipe before they reload another mag. Don't know if it makes that much difference in speed, but it is worth noting.

    This vid alone should be demonstration enough for any reasonable anti-gunner. Of course, it won't be.
     
  10. Derek Zeanah

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    With that said, I carry a 1911 with an 8 round magazine + 1 in the chamber, for a total of 9 rounds. In this demonstration the initial capacity was just the magazine capacity, not magazine capacity + 1.
     
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    Christie may not have years of shooting experience, but sure knows how to count her shots.
     
  12. David E

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    It's a faulty test. The badguy won't do all his shooting behind a barrel that has extra mags on it.

    The best one was where he kept pulling loaded guns out of the bag, as that's what an industrious badguy would do.
     
  13. USAF_Vet

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    And if that's the case, why not a complete semi-auto ban.

    This is a double edged sword. One one hand, it proves that a hi cap mag ban is pointless, which we like, but on the other it proves that a determined gunman can dole out lots of damage with any kind of semi-auto with detachable mags.
     
  14. David E

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    For the same reason there shouldn't be a mag capacity limit.

    No, it doesn't. Again I refer you to the part at the end where "Jim" does several New York reloads pulling revolver after revolver after revolver firing a total of 30 shots in less time than with the Glock loaded with 15 rd mags.

    It proves that badguys will always find a way to carry out their evil.
     
  15. USAF_Vet

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    It doesn't matter, the antis will still look at it exactly how I said.

    By throwing in NY reloads, carrying multiple guns, and showing how effective a simple double barrel shotgun can be in a school shooting (Columbine), it only gives the gun grabbers more fuel to go after all of our guns. That is their end game after all.
     
  16. David E

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    You cited "detachable mags, almost making it sound like they were required to "dole out the damage," which they're not. The attack on an American school that killed 30+ kids involved no Gina, just a bomb.

    I agree their goal is confiscation of ALL guns, but I disagree videos like that give them "more fuel," since they've already decided on the issue.
     
  17. USAF_Vet

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    Detachable mags aren't required, but going after guns is a step by step process. Now, its 'hi cap' magazines they are going after. Next it'll be any detachable magazine, then they will impose a limit on how much ammo you can purchase, and how many guns you can own. Step by step, inch by inch they impose 'reasonable restrictions' that chip away at out fundamental rights. They won't look at this video and declare a 100% gun ban and mandatory confiscation, they'll store this I for and use it later, a few steps down the road.

    They need the fuel to motivate their constituents and financial supporters.

    The gun grabbers have already made up their minds, but can only implement their plans with a lot of money and little resistance. It's all about misinformation, which they have made a career perfecting. They go after the fence sitters, turn them over to their side with misinformation. That's how they gain support.
     
  18. David E

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    When they use misinformation, facts and videos don't matter.

    WE can use videos like this to convince the dense sitters, too.
     
  19. Dr.Rob

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    Clearly both were trained shooters, only in the last demo did the shooter fire to slide lock before reloading.

    Of course its not 'that' hard to count your shots in such a setting.
     
  20. 1KPerDay

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    LOL I love the 5 revolver New York reload at 11:18 :D
     
  21. CoRoMo

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    The video is not perfect. It needs to be done many more times, primarily with new shooters and real scenario variables like mags need to be pulled from the pockets and not off the top of a barrel. Tweak it some more and it should be ideal.
    I'm not convinced that you made a typo there.
     
  22. grahluk

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    Observation not mentioned why the ban would penalize lawful self defense and not the mass murderer. A mass murderer has the benefit of planning and preparation. This video shows that yes he can do the same relative damage whether with a couple standard capacity mags, a couple more reduced capacity mags, or NY reloading by carrying multiple guns. This proves that such "sensible" gun laws are fairy tales. What they do however is endanger the lawful self defense shooter. A defender will be responding to an attack at the perpetrator's choosing making their efforts reactionary at best. Whether home, business, or licensed carry in public it's likely that the defender will only have the ammo presently loaded in the weapon. When trouble happens they will grab the weapon at hand and most likely will not have the benefit of multiple magazines handy. How many people relax at home with a pistol belt with several full mag pouches or a bandolier full of shotgun shells?
     
  23. David E

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    I didn't!
     

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