JeeperCreeper
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Wow, Woody looks great! Dude found the fountain of youth!!
Good stuff!!
Good stuff!!
very early AR, circa 1960, 1905 03 still a 30-03
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Riomouse911
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Indeed, I hope to look that sharp when I’m 73! (I still have 21 yrs to go until then 
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Stay safe.
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No worries, dogface.
MutinousDoug
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I don't recall ever using the assist to clear a stoppage. Made so much more sense to eject the questionable round to start over.
Two stoppages in a row? That would be enough to make a nervous guy like me get panicky and then things might go from bad to worse.
Two stoppages in a row? That would be enough to make a nervous guy like me get panicky and then things might go from bad to worse.
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He’s obviously in shape. Probably because he’s been carrying those 50lb balls around with him his whole life
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tark
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73 ? Woodie is 95 years old
Riomouse911
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I know, and he looks great. I'm 52...I hope to look that good when I hit 73, much less 95
lysanderxiii
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I'm going to guess nitrile gloves are cheaper, disposable, and they protect you from anything on the specimen, as well as vice versa.
kBob
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NOT using the Forward Assist can cause a classic hard to clear manfunction… the so called double feed.
NOW LISTEN TO ME INSTEAD OF JUST BLOWING ME OFF!!!
Think a minute.... at what point does the extractor of that AR 15 bolt snap over the feeding cartridge rim?????
answer...while it is possible if the chamber causes a enough friction in the last half inch of travel for the extractor to slip over the cartridge rim, the only POSSITIVE extractor over rim lock is as the bolt rotates into the locking position.
If the issue is a bolt has failed to go forward to lock there is a good chance that the cartridge involved in the failure IS NOT hooked under the extractor.
take a look at that little bitty ejection port and look at all that room above the magazine between a reward bolt and the breech
Now you no FA boys want everyone to work the charging handle and either hold it or lock the bolt back then point the barrel upward shake the rifle and HOPE that mostly chambered cartridge some how falls out and far enough back and twist and turn the rifle until the cartridge under the influence of gravity alone falls free … all while the 43rd Mongolian Horde is at spitting range half firing full auto from the hip in marching fire and the other half brandishing their bayoneted rifles and smiling with glee.
Meanwhile since the extractor was not engaged and you did the rack and hokey pokey shake the original cartridge may well still be in the chamber or partially out of the chamber and you slap the mag drop the bolt and the next round up gets stripped and the bolt attempts to load it.
1. Situation most common original round is loose in area over magazine and is driven into the gas tube area either inside of the charging handle recess or the charging handle tunnel wedging itself there and the new round fails to seat.
The rifle can not be broken open and the rounds may need something like a screw driver or knife blade to lever them free Seen several of these
2. original round is still in chamber partially and the bullet point of round #2 catches on the base of the first cartridge someplace near the edge of the rim and drives round one fully back in the chamber and round Two now rest with its point on the primer of round one THIS IS A PLACE USING THE FA CAN BE VERY BAD but had you used the FA in the first place would not likely have happened
3. Original round is pretty much fully still chambered and round two has it point shoved directly into the primer of round one and ignition takes place. It is even possible for round two's bullet to be driven back into its case and flame from either a blown round one or from the gas tube to reach round two's powder. brass debris in this case can lock the bolt partially back and GI Snuffy is not likely to clear this one by himself
I have personally seen ALL of these issues. The unsupported firing round one is MOST exciting.
Oh and remember the 43rd Mongolian Horde?
Yet I know pros that teach the evils of the FA.
Fine, if you don't want to use it, don't use it.
I will continue to be happy it is there, thank you very much.
-kBob
NOW LISTEN TO ME INSTEAD OF JUST BLOWING ME OFF!!!
Think a minute.... at what point does the extractor of that AR 15 bolt snap over the feeding cartridge rim?????
answer...while it is possible if the chamber causes a enough friction in the last half inch of travel for the extractor to slip over the cartridge rim, the only POSSITIVE extractor over rim lock is as the bolt rotates into the locking position.
If the issue is a bolt has failed to go forward to lock there is a good chance that the cartridge involved in the failure IS NOT hooked under the extractor.
take a look at that little bitty ejection port and look at all that room above the magazine between a reward bolt and the breech
Now you no FA boys want everyone to work the charging handle and either hold it or lock the bolt back then point the barrel upward shake the rifle and HOPE that mostly chambered cartridge some how falls out and far enough back and twist and turn the rifle until the cartridge under the influence of gravity alone falls free … all while the 43rd Mongolian Horde is at spitting range half firing full auto from the hip in marching fire and the other half brandishing their bayoneted rifles and smiling with glee.
Meanwhile since the extractor was not engaged and you did the rack and hokey pokey shake the original cartridge may well still be in the chamber or partially out of the chamber and you slap the mag drop the bolt and the next round up gets stripped and the bolt attempts to load it.
1. Situation most common original round is loose in area over magazine and is driven into the gas tube area either inside of the charging handle recess or the charging handle tunnel wedging itself there and the new round fails to seat.
The rifle can not be broken open and the rounds may need something like a screw driver or knife blade to lever them free Seen several of these
2. original round is still in chamber partially and the bullet point of round #2 catches on the base of the first cartridge someplace near the edge of the rim and drives round one fully back in the chamber and round Two now rest with its point on the primer of round one THIS IS A PLACE USING THE FA CAN BE VERY BAD but had you used the FA in the first place would not likely have happened
3. Original round is pretty much fully still chambered and round two has it point shoved directly into the primer of round one and ignition takes place. It is even possible for round two's bullet to be driven back into its case and flame from either a blown round one or from the gas tube to reach round two's powder. brass debris in this case can lock the bolt partially back and GI Snuffy is not likely to clear this one by himself
I have personally seen ALL of these issues. The unsupported firing round one is MOST exciting.
Oh and remember the 43rd Mongolian Horde?
Yet I know pros that teach the evils of the FA.
Fine, if you don't want to use it, don't use it.
I will continue to be happy it is there, thank you very much.
-kBob
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tark
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Gene Stoner is spinning on his grave.....
DustyGmt
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I could be way off base here, but I have a faint recollection of reading about the original designer of the AR and that it was a different guy and stoner just added on or some such thing? Is there any truth to it, I cant find the article I was reading but it seems alot of people do get credit for work not their own, kind of the way JMB is credited with designs that were really dieudonne saives.....
Not trying to stir the pot, just wondering if there was another guy or if my recall is way off
Not trying to stir the pot, just wondering if there was another guy or if my recall is way off
someguy2800
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That’s the first time I have ever heard that but I have no first hand knowledge. I wonder if what you might be referring too is that there are quite a few features on the AR that are derived from previous gun designs from around the world. It’s kind of a mish mash of 5 or 6 different rifles rolled into one.
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