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Vicious Asia Times Article on Guns and Bush + My Response

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  1. The Last Confederate

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    The article can be found here.
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FI14Aa01.html


    MY Response:

    Just wanted to reply to that ridiculous Asia Times article.

    First, I am from Chicago, Illinois which is where this article calls 'inland' America. It says these 'coastal elite' are
    cleverer, better dressed, and better looking than the average american? Where do they get this? No sources at all, just spewing
    worthless 'facts' such as these automatically makes me despise this spin doctor. The frisson of of cultural difference?! THE FRISSON?!
    I can spot the spin a mile away. Also, is there something wrong with people vacationing in Las Vegas or Disney World? I don't really see the
    point the author is trying to make with that.

    Back to the comments that Bush supporters are ugly and dress worse. What the hell is this even supposed to mean? Obesity is an
    inland disease? First of all, obesity is not even a disease. Second of all, better dressed? Heard of a word called fashion? Yeah, it kind of
    differs in different parts of the world. The last thing, about inland people not going to 'university.' The first thing
    you have to know is that the people are not very concentrated. The population in the Midwest is very spread out. There are many
    benefits to this. One being that the public education is incredible compared to many other places. In my town, a new high school was built
    less than 10 years ago for $30 MILLION dollars. Three years ago another one was built for $50 MILLION dollars. The class sizes
    are all very small, maybe 18 kids to a class compared to the over 25 in the schools on the coast. In short, the high schools around here
    can cost more and better teach kids than many colleges.

    Now it says to watch a cities Fourth of July festivities. Again, inland America is VERY VERY large and there are different customs. Where I lived,
    the fourth of July was just a time to visit family. That's it; there was no 'passionate patriotism.'

    Now, another journalistic blunder. They go into a arbitrary tangent on gun control. This is seriously one of the worst written reports I have ever seen. The author could not have even
    gotten a C with this in high school English class.

    Wow, Americans making jokes about the French. How evil! How horrid! I'm sure those French people are heart broken! How could Americans be so cruel?!

    Hahaha and then it speaks about how America has no European allies. I guess United Kingdom, Poland, and the rest of eastern Europe don't count. This is just Europe and not
    counting other close US allies such as Australia,India,South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. And Europe becoming enemies to America...get real. Just imagine this, if you will: America, India, and Israel vs the entire world. I know where I would place my bets.

    Well, after this the author goes back to rehashing the same old broken record. Idiots vote for Bush! The liberals are the smart ones! The world is being run by fat, ugly people in inland America!!

    And, because I am bored, a short list of people that were born and raised in inland America: B.F. Skinner, Samuel Clemens, Ernest Hemingway, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Edison, Malcolm X, Bill Clinton, Noam Chomsky, and Jimmy Carter.
    Wow, I would hate to be associated with those ugly, fat, poor dressers.
     
  2. RavenVT100

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    Why would you even bother to respond to such an incredibly classist, ignorant, and quite frankly bigoted piece of literary trash? It's not like we all haven't heard the old "liberals are the well-traveled, intellectual elite" stereotype time and time again.

    A great many of these people aren't enlightened; they're just arrogant. There's a difference.
     
  3. gigmike

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    Talk about an oversimplified view of a huge nation. Boy all of you who live in red states are making us blue staters look bad. Hurry up and wash your trucks and wipe that chewing tobacco off your chins! :D
     
  4. Atticus

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    Overall, I like the article. He's biased, ignorant of the country and people, and exaggerates to the extreme...but he makes some good points.
     
  5. iapetus

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    It didn't seem that negative too me.

    It seemed as much a criticism of the "Elite" and their (supposed/apparent) tendancy to assume that because they have a better fasion sense, holiday abroad, etc they are superior. Just look at the comment about Hitler being a better dresser than Churchill.


    And there was a lot about "Given European history, Europeans and similar people associate patriotism with racism - but it doesn't follow that people from a different background (Americans) are racist just because they are patriotic).
     
  6. Norton

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    I think you better read the article once again. The author is, while using some un-flattering stereotypes of "fly-over country", is really coming out saying that the coastal elites are not the true voice of America.

    To me it seems that the author is saying that in spite of the fact that we don't subscribe to the European model, don't really travel to other countries, etc.......we've got it right.

    He makes a big point of saying that when you compare crime rates on a socio-economic level, our violent crimes are committed at the same rate as those allegedly superior countries in Europe.

    Overall, I thought that this was a cleverly written article that makes use of tongue in cheek and irony to point out the inadequacies of the coastal elites.
     
  7. Norton

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    I think you better read the article once again. The author is, while using some un-flattering stereotypes of "fly-over country", is really coming out saying that the coastal elites are not the true voice of America.

    To me it seems that the author is saying that in spite of the fact that we don't subscribe to the European model, don't really travel to other countries, etc.......we've got it right.

    He makes a big point of saying that when you compare crime rates on a socio-economic level, our violent crimes are committed at the same rate as those allegedly superior countries in Europe.

    Overall, I thought that this was a cleverly written article that makes use of tongue in cheek and irony to point out the inadequacies of the coastal elites.
     
  8. Smoke

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    I was surprised the slant the article took after reading the first few paragraphs. Not bad.

    I'll take being called ugly and poorly dressed. Thats somebodys opinion.
    But the rest of the article is pretty good. I hope it's widely read in other countries.

    Smoke
     
  9. ksnecktieman

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    I dress the way I like, if someone else does not like it they can shut their eyes. Yes, I like to eat, too much, and too often. Yes, I vote for politicians that promise me more freedom. Yes, I think we had to fight this war on terror, either in the United States, or overseas, I am glad it is over there. Yes, come watch me wave my flag and celebrate July fourth. And while they are here, they can come and watch me shoot my fine rifle. I got a bargain on a french military rifle, that was never fired and only dropped one time:D

    I think this article was in good taste, maybe because it was vague enough to take it in any manner you want to.
     
  10. IRONFIST

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    I'm admit to being fat and even my wife says that I dress poorly, so I can't take offence to that reference in the article. I think the author did hit the nail on the head on quite a few points, but again, I don't take offence to them. We are at war and it is about good and evil... no gray area there for me. If the rest of the world sees me as simplistic for seeing our situation as such, the world can stuff it in a pipe and smoke it. I also notice that alot of the same people of the world who are considering the U.S. a "threat" now, are also the same people who come crying to us for aid to feed their starving children. Where would the world be without the presence of the United States? Who would step in and come to the rescue if not us? No one. The goverments of the world would squabble and argue as millions died. How many miserable and impoverished people are eating food RIGHT NOW only because it has been provided by the charitable citizens of this wonderful nation. Ungrateful louts. Oh what the hell, I say screw all this talk and lets begin to conquer the world, starting with Canada first and then Mexico :neener:
     
  11. Leatherneck

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    At least the sniveling, bigoted Euro elitist has the cojones to admit:
    And then where will you be, Pal, if we Americans decide: "No more times" ? :fire:

    TC
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  12. shermacman

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    Ditto the "read the article again".
    Whoever Spengler is, the article makes brilliant points about how the oh-so-sophisticated Europeans have abandoned all sense of patriotism, trashed any belief in right and wrong, dumped God, all in favor of the right to be arrogant.
    That arrogance is born of their ceaseless desire to slaughter themselves every other generation. The snotty Europeans can't understand that we Americans can have guns and not massacre each other, the way they do. It is now about time for their next wave of violence. They are scared of themselves and they project that fear onto us. They can't tolerate the concept of 'right and wrong' because everything is gray, all beliefs are equal.
    Hilter was democratically elected because he was a good speaker, not because of the content of his speech. Analyzing the content of his thoughts would require a foundation of Judeo-Christian belief. Therefore the European brings their own destruction onto themselves, they don't trust themselves, so they don't trust the rugged individualism of the American people (well, those of us knuckle-dragging, Neanderthal, gun-toting, Conservatives).
    Spengler has written for years about the inevitable decline of Europe. There is no escape from that decline, it will be up to US, once again, to intervene or let Europe die. Spengler is equally pessimistic about Japan.
    Read him! Just get past his (or hers) overly-intellectual writing style.
     
  13. SADshooter

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    I'm actually rather flattered my his characterization of me.:cool:
     
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    Maybe I was a little harsh judging the article. I wasn't able to detect any type of satire or sarcasm, and that's partly why I reacted the way I did. It was also pretty late at night.

    One doesn't need to believe in a strictly dogmatic good/evil dichotomy to disagree with Kerry, and I'm not particularly religious. Believe it or not, simple application of critical thinking skills and rational thought is enough to see why gun control is wrongheaded.
     
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    Who the hell is Spengler and is 'cleverer' a real word?

    Democrat = Likes to travel (to patronize cultures), have passports, dress better.

    Republicans = Fat, likes Disney World.

    Uh huh.
     
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    I'm not sure exactly what literary device the author was using (satire, irony?), but there were far too many back-handed compliments to us country bumpkins in there for him to have really intended us ill-will.

    Note the comparison between Churchill and Hitler in the second to last paragraph.
     
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    I'll add my voice to the cacophony of "Read it again!"

    Although I don't like his oversimplification of the left vs. right paradigm, I happen to agree, if only in very general terms. But that's neither here nor there. Look at the rest of the article, where he says things like:
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    I think his ugly-overweight thing is meant to show how the left looks at the right, and at themselves. That last quote seals the deal.
     
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    Now this part I have objections to. I might not necessarily like the first part about being fat, ugly, and dumd, but you have to admit that's a great hook to keep liberals reading the piece.

    I'll admit, I carry a few extra pounds (I'm overweight, not obese), I don't have a great fashion sense, but I don't think that I'm "ugly" or "unclever". We just have a realization that fashion isn't everything, substance is more than appearance, and being too convoluted in our thinking ends up missing reality.

    But I have to ask, if the clever and attractive people can take care of themselves, why are they the first to scream for more police, taking away our guns, prosecuting people for defending themselves, additional regulation in all industries?

    The people in the heartland are undeniably patriotic. But it's a realistic patriotism. You can count on the heartland for people to volunteer to defend this nation. We understand that this country is "For the people, By the People".
     
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    Wasn't Spengler one of the Ghostbusters?


    This article is far from being vicious. Yes, he attacks the fashion sense of Bush supporters, but that's about it. It's not entirely unjustified, either. Other than that, he makes some really good points.
     
  22. jsalcedo

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    It was a good article. Baiting and spearing liberals leaving them to flop helplessly on the figurative deck.
     
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    Is there an echo in here?

    Read it again!
     
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    READ IT AGAIN

    I think some of you guys missed a few sarcastic/ironic statements. He made some good points against gun control and Kerry and for the war, all while making it absolutely impossible for the "coastal elite" to write him off by saying that he's just some country bumpkin.
     
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    Although I didn't agree with all of it, I liked it. It will be on its way to one of my ultra-left-wing skinny liberal friends shortly, as well as some Americans stuck in a blue state.
     
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