Victory in Missouri

[Technosavant]

The amended, compromised, and tweaked version of SB 62 has now passed the MO Senate and House, and it is a certainty that Governor Blunt will sign it. So, as of August 28, MO's laws change in the following ways:

1) Castle Doctrine (no duty to retreat) officially exists in any domicile or vehicle where you have legal presence. It does not cover "anywhere you have the lawful right to be" (we lost that one), but in any house, apartment, condo, hotel room, tent, or other place designed for an overnight stay or in any vehicle, we have an absolute defense against criminal and civil prosecution for self defense.
2) Permit to Acquire a Concealable Weapon will become a memory. We no longer need a $10 permission slip from the sheriff to buy a handgun. In some counties this was no more than a 10 minute formality, but in others, it was a weeklong (or more) ordeal where the sheriff himself ignored what the law said. Still, it's gone.
3) Carry permits are now available to certain groups (IIRC, it's trained LEOs and firearm-trained corrections officers).

Those are the high points, but I think there was even more in the bill.

Read it yourself here:
CCS HCS SCS SB 62&41 overview page


Missouri's laws just took a giant leap forward, and we should be on a fast track for a "F" in the next Brady guide. We'll wear that like a badge of honor.

IL residents, you're welcome to come and visit.

 

[Gifted]

I might move back after school. Who knows.

 

[kcmarine]

Woot.

 

[USAFNoDAk]

They call Missouri "The Show Me" State. In this case, they're showing us how it's done. Go Missouri!

 

[Mannix]

Ha, Minnesota get a C- and we still have concealed carry . Unfortunately no castle doctrine outside the home .

Good news though.

 

[bensdad]

Congratulations!

Well done, Missouri.

 

[Don Gwinn]

I hate you.

 

[Technosavant]

I hate you.

But we love you, Don. Life can be great on this side of the Mississippi River.

 

[bensdad]

Not very "high road"

I hate you.

That's harsh, man. Where's a mod when you need one.

 

[Weimadog]

[edited for grammaw]

2) Permit to Acquire a Concealable Weapon will become a memory. We no longer need a $10 permission slip from the sheriff to buy a handgun. In some counties this was no more than a 10 minute formality, but in others, it was a weeklong (or more) ordeal where the sheriff himself ignored what the law said. Still, it's gone.

Soon after I first moved to St Louis ten years ago, I applied for the permission slip from the sheriff.

I had to bring:
Ten Dollars

A certificate from the Board of Elections, stating that I'm a registered voter. The certificate was issued at a place three blocks from the Sheriff's office.

A receipt showing that I purchased a trigger lock (they are included with new guns, d'oh!). That was $5 or $10 for the lock I never use.

Two written character references. "Hello Liberal Yellow-Dog Democrat Neighbor who doesn't like guns, I want you to write a character reference for me. I want to buy a gun. Oh, it's just for target shooting, yes. I know that I can only ask you a couple of times before you start thinking of me in a different way. I'm looking for another acquaintance to write my next character reference.

Ten dollars.

Then, it was a one week wait.

Ten dollars two trips to the Sheriff's office, and the time wasted on the treasure-hunt for the other stuff was a big bother.

I would obtain a permit to acquire before I went to a gun show. The permit was only good for 30 days. After all of the bother to get the permit, it seemed like a shame to not get a gun.

When Missouri got License to Carry, I applied for an out-of-state permit. I just didn't want the Sheriff getting any more of my money.

 

[BigO01]

Friend I think you need to read that bill carefully as you are wrong in saying we lost on the "in a place where you have a Lawfull right to be there "

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in a place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to meet force with force if he or she reasonably believes it necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.


A person who uses such force as described above, is justified in using such force and is immune from civil actions and criminal prosecutions for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used was a law enforcement officer who identifies himself or herself or the person using the force should have known the person was a law enforcement officer.

 

[Grayrider]

I too am glad to see the permit system go, but I did recently have an interesting conversation with the wonderful young lady that does permits in my county and she pointed out a benefit of having them. She said she had a several page list of people who failed the background check due to errors in their FBI records. She had always gone to bat for them and sorted out the issue so that they could still get a permit. Without the permit system these individuals will be in a pickle unless they can get the errors sorted out at the federal level (good luck). Of course that is a small group of people, and I know that many sheriffs in our state made it hard to get permits. Ultimately this is a good move to prevent anti-gun LEOs from harassing gun owners. At least in my county they are going to find the permit person another role handling concealed carry applications/renewals as I would hate to see her go. In some counties there have been really good people handling the permits for us, at minimal hassle.

While we are on the subject of Missouri politics, I want to point out that Matt Blunt sure has come through for gun owners and he will certainly get my vote in the next election. We have to stand by politicians like him when they are brave enough to openly support RKBA issues despite opposition from the other side across the board and in the media.

John

 

[Technosavant]

Friend I think you need to read that bill carefully as you are wrong in saying we lost on the "in a place where you have a Lawfull right to be there "

That language is not in the final bill. Look at the "Truly Agreed to and Finally Passed" version.

The MO House overwhelmingly passed a version with that language, and we're quite sure it would have cleared the Senate had it come to a vote, but Sen. Goodman, the bill's sponsor, for some reason decided he didn't want that language and he wasn't going to make a stand for it.

It will be easier to add in later on, since we now have those protections in some locations. Extending it to all places where you might legally be is easier than ginning up the whole thing from the get-go. For some reason, that pill was just too big to swallow by some.

Like GrayRider says, Gov. Blunt has been good to us, and MO gun owners really need to support him next year. He'll have a tough run against Jay Nixon, but the state is better off now than it was when Bob Holden was shown the door.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

but the state is better off now than it was when Bob Holden was shown the door.

No kidding...

Oh, and Don Gwinn, you can cross the river. My grandmother left Dow, IL in 1919 and the family has never looked back. We go back to bury kin, now and again, but try not to stay to long. Socialism and Communism is catching y'know...

No, seriously, I feel for the good downstate folks who are spoonfed the s*** from S***cago. Keep your chins up.

 

[Zor Omega]

Yes I am very happy that this bill passed. Now we can act with more confidence, not having to worry if we will be sued by the CRIMINAL'S family or himself if he survives the situation.

 

[Steve499]

We are making headway. The repealing of that burdensome permit to purchase section is a surprise to me, although a very pleasant one. The Sheriff in my county issued permits without any problems, except that one had to list the pistol to be purchased when applying for the permit, which made picking up a handgun at a gun show problematic.

I have a pistol on order, to be my wife's concealed carry piece, and I just may wait to pick it up until the effective date of this bill.

And, yes, Bob Holden was a joke as a Governor and no friend to gun owners. I quit smoking years ago, but the morning after he got defeated in the primary, I smoked a celebratory cigar I had bought several months before after he had particularly angered me. I wrote "BYE BYE BOB" on the wrapper and hung it on my refrigerator where it waited until after the election. I am probably prohibited from relating the incidents which led me to conclude he was an idiot, but I was assigned to Governor's Security for the last 2 1/2 years before I retired, and I know what I'm talking about.

Steve

 

[proud2deviate]

Sweetsweetsweet.

Now, if we can just get rid of the of the law against supressors, and tweak the CCW laws a bit (higest age restriction in the nation, and way to many hoops to get one locally. But decent beyond that,) we'll be in fine form.

Hmm, I wonder if FFls wil be modifying their transfer fees now. Last guy I used charged $15 for long guns, but $35 for handguns, mostly on account of the hassle of filling out the PTA and maling it back to the sheriff.

 

[homeka45]

Outstanding, I am so envious.

 

[Turkey Creek]

I live in Missouri ten miles from the Mississippi which used to be just about a 1/2 mile wide seperation from The People's Republic- That 1/2 mile just got a lot wider!- HOOO AH!