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Virginia Beach shooting victim feared shooter, wanted to carry gun but disarmed by city law

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Aim1, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:32 PM.

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  1. Aim1

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    Tragic. Obviously only the law abiding follow the law and are then the victims of it.


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  2. RETG

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    She was probably not the first and sad to say, won't be the last, to feel that way and end up dead or wounded.
     
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    Sounds like grounds for a lawsuit for failing to provide adequate protection.
     
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    Taurus is right,,,,I feel the same way!
     
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    Our lawyers like Spats and Frank can chime in but IIRC from previous discussions (correct me if I'm wrong), there is no duty to allow you to carry to protect against a third party. There is no duty to protect against a criminal action unless they specifically knew of a real threat.

    Gun world folks raise the issue of suing because they are denied the right to carry when something goes bad but most legal analyses are that this isn't going to work. Frank and Spats can comment if I got this wrong from past discussions.
     
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    This will not go well here but I carry even when it says I can't....... Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
     
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    Lots of stories similar to this, just swap it for a crazy stalker or ex.
     
  8. Labguy47

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    I agree, there should be a huge suit against the city for disarmament.
     
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    Any solid gun control advocate will tell you that it's better to be murdered by a violent assailant than to defend yourself with a gun and "lower yourself to their level".

    Besides, as the Marjorie Stoneman-Douglas massacre has taught us, you don't need a gun because the police will protect you.
     
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    Deanimator, what the Marjorie Stoneman-Douglas massacre should have taught us that if the State, County, Police, Sheriff, School District, Principal & Staff are not trained in how to react to an active shooter you have the opportunity for chaos and for small minds to run and hide allowing the slaughter of our children and teachers. And guess what, that is exactly what happened. Not only that there has been no progress beyond scapegoating and the firing and resignations of some small people who could not rise to their duty. The City, County & State of Florida have made no real lasting changes, other than to cast blame on everyone.

    Virginia is scheduled to go down the same path.
     
  11. old lady new shooter

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    Even supposing such a lawsuit would be allowed and the families would win, it wouldn't bring back their loved ones.
     
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    Or if it's Dianne Feinstein, she will tell you a gunman facing an unarmed person will automatically drop his weapon.
     
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    I had this dilemma the last several years I lived in L.A. after the crime / homeless situation got really bad. A couple of times I really really wanted to carry somewhere but decided not to, it was very scary. My solution was to move to Arizona.
     
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    If they restrict your right to protect yourself, do they not take on that responsibility?

    And if not, WHY not? They just took away your right to do so.

    I always told my kids when they were growing up, that they are responsible for their own personal security, no matter what anyone tells them otherwise. No one will take care of you, better than you. You have to do what it takes to do that. Trust no one else to, no matter what they say.

    I understand fully how that woman felt, but Im betting she still had choices, and she chose to believe that her employer would protect her.

    From the early 90's on, every place Ive worked, has restricted employees carrying a gun. That was about the time the lawyers really got into things, and we first saw it in employee manuals. When I asked if they were then responsible for "us", I was usually blown off with a nervous chuckle and strange look.

    I follow the instructions I told my kids, and always have. Unless there is a metal detector present that I have to pass through, I carry a concealed handgun, religiously. Their "rules" dont override my safety.
     
  15. GEM

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    One has to do want one wants. However, if a location has a ban with the force of law - we don't want folks advocating breaking the law on THR. There are jobs which if lost, would be very hard to replace with a similar position. The reason for your firing would follow you to the next job application.

    Thus, this one is closed before we get more suggestions that cavalierly suggest this or that. The discussions of NPE carry and the pros and cons can be found elsewhere.
     
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