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Virginia Gun Laws(or lack of)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by greenscape, Apr 17, 2007.

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  1. greenscape

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    I don't know how up to date this site is, but it sounds like you can just about order a 9mm with your coffee in the morning at convenience stores in Virginia according to this.

    While I am in full support of a citizens right to bear arms, I looks like this states policies(based on this anyways) may be a tad irresponsible. I have a CT. permit to carry. And while I feel it was a pain in the A$$ to acquire, I do get some comfort out of the screening policy. Not to say this idiot would not have found a way to buy a gun anyhow or found some other way to commit this violence. But this will certainly bring out the Monday morning Q-backs and the "woulda, coulda, shoulda's..


    http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=va
     
  2. 6_gunner

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    That's the way it should be. Unless a guy's still wearing the uniform of the looney bin or prison he escaped from, he should be able to order a 9mm with his coffee. :neener:

    What we need is the ability to defend ourselves, not gun regulations!

    Having said that, I can definitely see your point that selling a gun to a lunatic is irresponsible. However, all the regulations in the world won't keep a weapon out of said lunatic's hand.
     
  3. bluto

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    What are you talking about? And why are you citing the Brady Campaign?

    They have background checks in Virginia. Their laws are reasonable.

    Do you want consumer safety standards? That means that the legislature can slap any type of restriction on any gun that they want: guns that stamp a serial number on the bullet before it fires; guns that can only be fired by the owner using quirky electronic devices that render the gun completely unreliable; guns that have multiple safeties like magazine disconnects, loaded chamber indicators, plus built in key locks not to mention 10 round magazines etc. (All of the aforementioned restrictions have been introduced in the California legislature. The last one is now law and getting new guns into our state may be a thing of the past).

    The Brady bunch, like HCI has only one thing on its agenda - and it isn't gun control. It's gun elimination.

    Please be specific about what you think Virgina lacks in its gun laws and why.
     
  4. greenscape

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    I am not a Troll

    Nor am I anadvocate of the Brady campaign at any level. I just happen to do a search on Virginia Gun Law and thats what I found. Dispute it if you want with facts if you have them, otherwise please share your logic on the subject. Otherwise you come across pretty ignorant. Did you read the site ??
    Apparently not. As a permit holder, I have absolutely no problem with the process that I went through to acquire it. It was lengthy and it cost me a few bucks, but in the name of being a responsible citizen, I think its OK.

    SECONDARY SALES
    Are background checks required on 'private' gun sales? No

    No state requirement that criminal background checks be done on people buying firearms at gun shows, swap meets or through newspaper or internet advertisements. Criminal background checks are only required if the buyer goes to a federally-licensed gun store - all other sales are not subject to the background check.


    WAITING PERIOD
    Is there a waiting period on gun sales? No

    No state requirement that there be a waiting period for gun sales beyond the "instant check" in federal law. Police are not given any additional time to run a criminal background check to make sure the gun buyer is not prohibited from acquiring firearms. There is no "cooling off" period to help prevent crimes of passion.
     
  5. usp9

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    State Police do in fact run a background check and turn people down routinely. I've also witnessed a shop owner refuse to sell to an "agitated" person.

    Virginia gun laws didn't kill those kids...a wack job did.
     
  6. alucard0822

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    In VA all of the federal background checks, paperwork and laws apply, with a 1 gun per 30 day in addition and the additional checks that apply to all non-citizen permanent legal immigrants. In fact there are probably few or no states that wouldn't have sold him either pistol, he had no criminal convictions, was of legal age and a permanent resident alien with a greencard. Gun control cost more lives than it saves, criminals of all types will always be able to buy/steal/smuggle guns from somewhere, only law abiding people who will not carry illegally or buy an illegal gun are affected just look at the murder capital of America, Washington DC. Virginia's lack of obstacles to gun ownership by private law abiding citizens, and ability for people to carry for personal protection are indeed socially and morally responsible. Iresponsible would be the laws of DC, NY, CA, and MD that place an irrational fear exploited for political gain ahead of public and personal safety.
     
  7. BigO01

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    greenscape you really should think about what you are saying here in addition to educating yourself on a few facts on gun laws .

    First off any and all internet purchases from an FFL will only be shipped to another FFL if it is not the FFL seller is breaking a Federal law .

    Your waiting period as a "Cooling off period" is a joke at best here in MO I have to get a Permit to purchase all handguns or I am breaking the law , fact is if I apply for a permit on Monday morning chances are I will have my permit on Friday or perhaps the middle of the next week at the longest .

    If I am of a mind to kill you on a Monday do you really think a 1 week wait will change my mind ?

    Also owning a firearm is a Constitutional Right not privilege it doesn't matter what YOU or anyone else thinks is reasonable .

    One of these days this whole matter will be decided by the Supreme Court and if they are honest about it most of these stupid gun laws that people like you think are reasonable will be washed away .

    BTW the killer in VA had apparently been planning this for several weeks , which is far longer than any "Cooling Off Period" takes and he had no criminal record that would have stopped the sale of the guns .
     
  8. bakert

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    As a responsible citizen you're worried about no "reasonable" restrictions on things like private gun sales with no background check, cooling off periods etc.?? Are you a gun owner?? My BS meter is clicking:scrutiny:
     
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  9. Black Knight

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    Greenscape:
    As a native born Virginian please allow me to comment. Virginia laws are very reasonable. You go to a FFL dealer, then fill out two forms, the dealer calls the Virginia State Police for a background check. If the check comes back clean You got a gun, if not no gun. As far as private sales go, did you know that according to federal statistics automobile accidents kill twice as many as guns? If you sell your car should you do a license check on the buyer? Should you do a criminal background to see if the buyer is a habitual offender or drunk driver? Should you have a waiting period so the checks can come back or the will to drive subsides? I am tired of people telling Virginians that we have live by their rules, especially when they don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about and have created a cess pool of there own homes. If you want to learn Virginia guns check the Virginia State Police web site or FindLaw to check the Code of Virginia. Don't go to some baffoon who hates guns to begin with.

    Folks I'm sorry I got abit emotional but over the last several years I have come accross many from out of state that have moved here and then complained that it is not like where they came from and love. Then they set out to recreate what they left. Instead of adapting to us they try to force us to adapt to them. I love my home state Virginia and do not want to see it changed into something it is not. Virginia has a proud history and tradition. Remember Yorktown, Jamestown, George Washington, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, and Woodrow Wilson (born in Staunton, VA)?
     
  10. RNB65

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    There's nothing wrong with Virginia's gun laws. Every gun bought from a gun dealer requires a background check by the State Police that involves checking both state and NICS/NCIC records.

    I could care less if VA decided to mandate background checks on private sales. I rarely buy guns in private sales and using an FFL to handle a transfer would be no big deal.

    Waiting periods are silly. Nothing but feel-good legislation that lawmakers can gloat over. Don't need 'em.
     
  11. nemoaz

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    OK.
    Well, you should have known better.
    What is your point? What is it you want proven?
    You paid too much. What does that have to do with Virginians being smarter than Connecticutions? What does it have to do with the Ismael Ax shooter?
    The Ismael Ax shooter bought his gun from a dealer. This wouldn't have changed anything. He bought his gun from a dealer and passed a background check. And since he had no convictions and no records of mental illness, he would have passed in your state too.
    The Ismael's Ax shooter bought the guns a few months prior. This wouldn't have mattered.
    I do agree with you. Virginia's laws are stupid. They should have mandated that their students could carry weapons to protect themselves, as happened when a gunman tried to become a mass murderer in a Virginian law school a few years prior.

    Now my turn. Does your state also require background checks and big fines/fees for practiciing other constitutional rights? Do you pay to speak your mind? Assemble? Attend a religious service?
     
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    >>Folks I'm sorry I got abit emotional but over the last several years I have come accross many from out of state that have moved here and then complained that it is not like where they came from and love. Then they set out to recreate what they left<<

    I feel your pain... this is exactly what we're experiencing in New Hampshire!! :mad:
     
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    Personally, I'm all for repealing the ones we've got. The "good guys" are the only ones who obey them, and they're the ones you don't have to worry about. The "bad guys" just ignore all of them, not just the gun control ones, anyway.
     
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    well he could have killed those people with a baseball bat. do u wanna ban baseball bats now?
     
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    well, i think greenscape is a troll or a truely clueless CT resident.

    in CT, if you have a valid pistol permit ... THERE IS NO WAITING PERIOD FOR ANYTHING. It's an INSTANT CHECK. (exception: NFA toys, which are governed largely by a federal process).

    Greenscape, nice try.
     
  16. Ed Meinel

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    Like Black Knight said, if you want to know what the law is, check the actual law, not some dubious interpretation.

    For example:
    Nope, it's one handgun per 30 days; you can buy as many rifles as you like.
     
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    Do you honestly believe he could have killed 32 people with a baseball bat without someone stopping him?

    Arguments like these only help the antis demonstrate that pro-gun types are not rooted in reality.
     
  18. Outlaw Man

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    The waiting (or "cooling off") period argument is moot in this case. He bought the gun a couple of weeks prior - at least from the news reports I read. He certainly didn't get it with his 9:00 coffee that morning.

    Virginia's gun sales laws are more restrictive than several states - and he didn't skirt any of them by using "loopholes" like private sales.
     
  19. EricTheBarbarian

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    only if it was a hi capacity assault baseball bat. thats why they need to be banned. they serve no sporting purpose, except baseball ofcourse. dont get too worked up about someone saying baseball bats or something, this is a troll thread afterall:)
     
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    There is a lot of bad information about gun show sales because of the anti's misrepresentation of the laws in their efforts to stop gun shows.

    Almost all of the people selling at gun shows are normal gun dealers that have a brick and mortar store somewhere. Dealers perform the same background checks they would if you were purchasing in their store. I go to most of the gun shows in the area and have found you will likely only find a few private individuals selling, which requires no background check. Private face to face sales to other state residents are not required to perform a background check in Virginia.

    The Brady site lists two different categories, but they are related.
    "Are background checks required on 'private' gun sales? No"

    That is true, but the other category,

    "Are background checks required at gun shows? No"
    is misleading. The same background checks are still required, except for the first item "Are background checks required on 'private' sales."

    In all my years of going to gun shows I have never purchased a firearm from an individual. There are not that many of them selling there, and I have never seen an individual with anything I really wanted.

    So in reality there is no "gun show loophole". What they really want to do is restrict private sales between individuals. But in an effort to end gun shows they call it the "gun show loophole".
     
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    Not Bashing CT.

    I love CT. Seriously.
    I was making a point about your incorrect and irresponsible musings about VA, and trying to show you that a blanket misrepresentation is not useful here.
    Steve
     
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    RE: Not Bashing CT

    I agree with you there. Every state has its own diverse array of people. I certainly can't speak for all of them.
     
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    Double Post.. my bad
     
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    The "facts" that show that the legal, required, performed, background check, showed nothing on this nut, and he legally bought the 9mm 30days prior to his planned attack, giving him plenty of time to become quite accurate at close range, COM, or shooting, frozen people either lying down, hoping to be out of the line of fire, or just standing frozen, along with reloading another clip and continuing shooting into the masses (hard to miss) and take out 32, before doing the world the one good favor of killing himself and saving the taxpayers money, along with any lawyers job to get him off anyway possible, in this case, insanity plea.

    But the real heart of the breakdown, besides the fact that laws that prohibit law abiding, fully trained CCW, adults/teachers, etc., to carry on any School campus's, ALONG with the fact that many students new he was one pissed of troubled person/angry at the world, along with several teachers (the smart ones, supposedly) reported his rage written papers, to the heads of faculty, along with one Professor's threat of quitting, unless the "educated members in charge of that college, did something, like maybe contact the police well in advance of the day of reckoning.

    Nope, they have all the answers, no guns allowed on campus by anyone, and all obeyed, except the sick animal/criminals, that don't obey any laws they don't agree with, along with, rather than contact the Police, they rather keep this disturbing news quiet, not to make the college look rather unattractive to its supporters, and handle it themselves.

    They get an big F.. for failure to act sensibly, and do the right thing well in advance of the 30 days when this nut started his final chapter in his, well known, well read, road to destruction.

    So, to anyone with half a brain, I say, backup, smell the roses, it's not lack of gun purchase restrictions, or passing more laws until you finally have disarmed all the good citizens that now, and in the future, do, and will take this responsibility second to none.

    And if you still think more gun restrictions will work, ask yourself, why not have the new, elected, Government of Iraq to ban ALL, and ANY, possession of weapons on it's citizens, and see if that will stop and win the war there.

    If it has worked, and can work, here, then it should surely work there.. :cool: and we can bring are troops home very soon... :rolleyes:


    There's my extra 2 cents for our country's needed tax programs to work even better.


    LS
     
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