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WA State Alien Firearms Licenses

Discussion in 'Activism' started by MD_Willington, Aug 23, 2007.

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  1. MD_Willington

    MD_Willington Member

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    In 2002 I applied for, an received my WA State Department of Licensing (DOL) Alien Firearms License (AFL) as per RCW 9.41.170 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.170)

    The license is good for 5 years after the date of issue, mine was good until 8/20/2007. I planned on getting a new one months before it was due to expire.

    Currently the DOL WILL NOT issue anyone a new AFL.

    To become active on this issue I have done the following and would like anyone else in the same position as I am to do this too:

    Contact your WA State Representative:
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx


    Contact Second Amendment Foundation in Bellevue WA.
    http://www.saf.org/default.asp?p=mission
    (425)-454-7012


    Contact Robin Ball of www.sharpshooting.net in Spokane
    (509) 535-4444

    Robin was able to get me in touch with John Frazer of the NRA


    I believe the only way we can get this fixed is if we address this issue together.

    Thank you for your time!

    MD
     
  2. Oleg Volk

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    Please support this inquiry with ideas and info. I'd like to help out but don't know enough to even start making supporting graphics.
     
  3. MD_Willington

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  4. MD_Willington

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    Sharing some responses from State .GOV employees.

    Pay close attention to the last two pages of the response from Cathy McMorris-Rogers, the FBI actually respond to her inquiry.

    The FBI outlines a course of action for the DOL to take so that they can obtain the background check data they need.

    The other .GOV employees, no help... even when I did fill out the release form.

    I am currently playing email "tag" a Legislative Aide to Senator Mark Schoesler.
     

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    Updated September 7th 2007




     
  6. user3214

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    There have been bills in the last 2 legislative sessions to fix the issue. DOL has done nothing in Olympia to get a fix.

    And why would they, they are getting paid to process AFL (only they can’t so they sit around hmmm)
     
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    Thank you for the heads up armedandsafe, I will send him an email.

    MD
     
  9. Dgindlesperger

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    Did not even know a alien could own firearms.
     
  10. Superpsy

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    I'm a perm. res....so WA is one of those states that requires a permit for firearm ownership? Is that the issue here?

    I'm finding it confusing that they differentiate between alien firearms owners and citizen firearms owners.
     
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    Here in WA, the only licensing for citizens is concealed-carry, other than a kind of "backdoor" pistol registration on purchases from dealers; but foreign nationals need an AFL to even touch a gun IIRC.
     
  12. rosco22

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    Well , become a citizen . You live here , pay taxes , enjoy all the USA has to offer . I see this as the best way .
     
  13. dave_pro2a

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    Unalienable human rights know no border.

    With the dems controlling the legislature and the governors office I'm not surprised this happened.

    Note that a year or two ago they changed the way they handle out of state permits too. Must apply in person, and pick up the card in person (rather than apply in person, and they mail you the card 30 days later).
     
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    Dgindlesperger,

    Yes, immigrant and non-immigrant aliens can legally obtain firearms. The "who, how & why", is outlined at the DOJ website.

    watson0625,

    WA State requires Aliens of non-immigrant and immigrant status to have a firearms license, there are exemptions, I do not fall into those.

    rosco22,

    this would make the most sense and it is the usual answer I get... however, an immigrant alien cannot just stroll into the nearest US Government courthouse and get their citizenship, the soonest I can get US citizenship is JUNE 2010
     
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    Oh, man. When I read "Alien Firearms" in the subject line I thought it was a reference to phasers, disrupters and cool stuff like that. Imagine my disappointment.
     
  16. MD_Willington

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    Contacted Rep. "Bill Hinkle - (R) 13th LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT" today.
     
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    Invidious discrimination against Canadians?
     
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    No, not really...

    Now look at section (4)...

    I don't really get it, but a "non-resident" who has passed the Canadian Firearms Safety Course can apply for a five-year PAL. That means an American from WA State can go to Vancouver BC Canada, take the safety course, and get a firearms license... and they can still do that today

    http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/Licensing/default_e.asp

    Anyway to get around this whole thing is section (4) saying I'm exempt if I go out and get a hunting license/tag for this year, and if I join a few local clubs and show up for sanctioned shooting events...:confused:
     
  19. rosco22

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    That sucks , a person here and being productive , law abiding .

    Good luck !!!
     
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    Reply from David Buri
     
  21. Never No More

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    You think the Democraps want thier voters armed?

    Only the police and Military should have firearms.

    So says Chairman Gregwior
     
  22. user3214

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    This happens because people who want an alien firearms license are few. So few politicians care to fulfill their needs.

    The same is happening with the gun community, as there are fewer and fewer gun owner the laws tighten and no fewer and fewer care.
     
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    Amendment 14, Equal Protection Clause violations

    For every .gov employee I have contacted, I have expressed that WA State RCW 9.41.170 was a violation of the Amendment 14, Equal Protection Clause.


    I have received notice of 700 people that are in the same position as I am.

    The government employees are saying they cannot do anything until the next session in the house.

    Now I need to figure out how to get those 700 people together, and get legal representation and go after WA State RCW 9.41.170...

    Not sure how I can do this though...
     
  25. dave_pro2a

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    Isn't it nice when a "government loophole" removes the right to own firearms from a segment of society? Grrrr.

    It's akin to the defunding of the federal program that restores firearm rights to those convicted of federal felonies.

    They chip away at sub groups (legal immigrants, ex-felons, etc) completely removing a fundamental right via administration double dealing. Rights shouldn't come and go with the stroke of a pen.

    The rest of us hardly even notice or care, because the 'majority' aren't affected.
     
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