fletcher
Member
Ah, the picture actually loaded now that I'm at home. Can you take a picture of the fracture surfaces?
Walther P22 HIGH QUALITY???
- Thread starter MRSA
- Start date
- Status
kingpin008
Member
Uh...What? It says "WALTHER P22" right on the dang thing!
atblis
Member
Hmm
Are you in the USA? If so, I think S&W is the US contact for Walther.
Are you in the USA? If so, I think S&W is the US contact for Walther.
scurtis_34471
Member
First, I would never "count on" a .22 for anything but plinking and target practice. They are inherently unreliable. Second, I've put thousands of rounds through my Walther and its been a great gun as long as I keep it clean and lubricated. This is not the kind of gun you shoot a thousand or two rounds through between cleanings. I also suspect that that slide broke when the gun was being field stripped. Its the only thing I know of that would stress the slide that way.
atblis
Member
Ha
I don't think the P22 is even good for that.
trueblue1776
Member
Every time the P22 bashers start up I wonder three things:
How can my P22 be perfectly reliable?
Why do the sell so well if
Why don't guys with lemons send their guns back to the factory to get fixed by a reputable company?
I see the broken slide, that sucks, I'm pretty sure that's not the norm. Walther is a good company to work with, I'd be surprised if they didn't make it right.
Whatever, it's the internet, it was made for ripping on things (I do my share of ripping on the Austrian tupperware).
How can my P22 be perfectly reliable?
Why do the sell so well if
?
Why don't guys with lemons send their guns back to the factory to get fixed by a reputable company?
I see the broken slide, that sucks, I'm pretty sure that's not the norm. Walther is a good company to work with, I'd be surprised if they didn't make it right.
Whatever, it's the internet, it was made for ripping on things (I do my share of ripping on the Austrian tupperware).
GigaBuist
Member
Well, mine wasn't too hot out of the box, but after running a brick of .22LR through it things were nice and smooth. I would have been worried if 1) I cared about my .22LR pistol being uber-reliable, and 2) I hadn't alread heard that this was common.
I'm not sure how many I've put through it at this point but the last 240 I chunked through on Sunday went off without a hitch.
I'm curious about this failure -- not sure what it'd take to duplicate it.
They sell so well because they look cool. That is all really.
In every rimfire forum known to man on the NET you will see hundreds of threads on the P22's problems. Just head over to rimfire central. A member there actually posted up probably the most popular fix up on the next for that stupid gun.
Basically you have to do things the factory will not do to fix it. You have to mod the extractor yourself, file down the hammer yourself, then do some little tweaking on the Mags on some, polish feed ramps, bend some things here and there and finally you get a gun that will at least action correctly lol.
It was so bad they had to redo the new P22's with new extractors and other upgrades.
modifiedbrowning
Member
Where? I can't see that on my computer.
I'm with browningguy, I would never know that that picture was of a P22.
trueblue1776
Member
When I read about the P22 in Handguns (or whatever magazine it was) six years ago, they got a great review. I had to get one, I got an early three digit gun, no mods, ever. Mine works great and my friends that have them (because I am so happy with mine) love them too. Mine feeds, cycles, extracts, great with no mods. I figured since it was a lower priced gun it was purchased by folks who don't know about regular maintainance, thus all the problems.
But I don't expect the gun to last through 30K rounds of wallyworld special either.
But I don't expect the gun to last through 30K rounds of wallyworld special either.
So. Cal Man
Member
No complaints here...
I've had a P-22 for quite a while now and have shot well over 5,000 rounds of Remington GB and about 1,000 rounds of CCI velocitor/Mini mags. Sounds impossible, but I have had 1 failure and it was due to user error. I did not tighten the end of the barrel well enough. Accuracy is 3" at 10 yards... good enough in my book.
I've had a P-22 for quite a while now and have shot well over 5,000 rounds of Remington GB and about 1,000 rounds of CCI velocitor/Mini mags. Sounds impossible, but I have had 1 failure and it was due to user error. I did not tighten the end of the barrel well enough. Accuracy is 3" at 10 yards... good enough in my book.
kingpin008
Member
It's on the slide. Maybe try enlarging the pic. P22 towards the back, "Walther" in the banner forward of that, partially broken by the cracked front of the slide.
And I'll also add that my P22 is great. I hated it at first because it was a little buggy, but I tweaked it, learned it's ins and outs, and now shoot it more than my MK III. If you all hate yours so much, why do you still have it? Why haven't you sent it back for service or sold it?
And to the commenter who said that even on the rimfire central boards they hate the P22...I guess that's why the "P22 Bible" compiled by used 1917-1911M is one of the best go-to references for the P22 around. If people hated it so much, why even bother trying to fix it? Read a little here, and you'll find tons of folks who have 'em and love 'em.
GigaBuist
Member
I can't disagree with that when you look at the mass market.
However, the primary reason I picked one up is because it's manual of arms was closer to your typical center fire than the Ruger 22/45 I was looking at that day. I figured it would be a much easier pistol for folks to learn on and then transition to a centerfire pistol.
In hindsight I would have probably had better luck with a Kadet kid for my CZ-75, but I wanted a dedicated .22LR, I wanted it that day, and it was right there for a price I couldn't argue with.
Aside from that it also appeals to folks that would want to put a supressor on a pistol. It's already threaded which saves you a few bucks if you want to get into that arena.
denfoote
Member
Soooo.
What happened to the guy and his Walther, or have we all just been bitten by a troll???
What happened to the guy and his Walther, or have we all just been bitten by a troll???
atblis
Member
Well
There's no accounting for taste. I think people have different standards for what is acceptably accurate/reliable. The P22 does not compare to its competitors, hence the reason I think it is crap.
Asides from the spontaneous dissassembly issues, I've found all examples of the P22 I've shot to be inaccurate and unreliable. One guy I shoot with got one for his son. They were on their 3rd P22, and it still didn't work right (Walther sent him two replacements). They finally ditched it and got a Buckmark. Another friend had one that was typical P22, couldn't hit a spinner at 10 yards, and was woefully unreliable. The slide finally split apart and nearly took his eye out (dumbass wasn't wearing glasses).
Why should I expect the P22 to be accurate, somewhat reliable, and durable? Easy, because all the real 22 pistols are. The Buckmark, Rugers, Kadet, S&W
There's no accounting for taste. I think people have different standards for what is acceptably accurate/reliable. The P22 does not compare to its competitors, hence the reason I think it is crap.
Asides from the spontaneous dissassembly issues, I've found all examples of the P22 I've shot to be inaccurate and unreliable. One guy I shoot with got one for his son. They were on their 3rd P22, and it still didn't work right (Walther sent him two replacements). They finally ditched it and got a Buckmark. Another friend had one that was typical P22, couldn't hit a spinner at 10 yards, and was woefully unreliable. The slide finally split apart and nearly took his eye out (dumbass wasn't wearing glasses).
Why should I expect the P22 to be accurate, somewhat reliable, and durable? Easy, because all the real 22 pistols are. The Buckmark, Rugers, Kadet, S&W
A Ruger, Buckmark, Kadet, etc. would do that easily.
Last edited:
Well said. I have never used a .22 Pistol that was as bad as a P22.
I have an old old Beretta Jaguar mod75 from the 70's that I honestly don't think has ever given me a problem that wasn't ammo related. That pistol has bricks and bricks and bricks of .22 through it and is still SUPER ACCURATE.
I have an old old Beretta Jaguar mod75 from the 70's that I honestly don't think has ever given me a problem that wasn't ammo related. That pistol has bricks and bricks and bricks of .22 through it and is still SUPER ACCURATE.
trueblue1776
Member
Right, because they are the .22's you like.
I think that the gun has been great, really enjoy shooting it, sights are well regulated and puts a nice hole in the center of the target.
Never heard back from the OP regarding what brand of ammo was shot or any other details. denfoote, I have to agree that this was nothing but trolling...
kingpin, that is the second set of pictures. I can't see anything about Walther about the first set.
Never heard back from the OP regarding what brand of ammo was shot or any other details. denfoote, I have to agree that this was nothing but trolling...
kingpin, that is the second set of pictures. I can't see anything about Walther about the first set.
scurtis_34471
Member
Mine was really finicky about ammo when I first got it. It had tons of failures with bulk ammo. As soon as I switched to CCI Mini-Mags, the failures stopped. I shot through at least a couple thousand of those things with zero failures. Now the gun works alright with the bulk stuff, although the slide does occassionally fail to cycle. That is an ammo problem more than a gun problem.
The main thing with the P22 is you have to keep it clean. If you put more than about 400 rounds through it without cleaning, it starts to act up a bit.
RRTX
Member
My P22 has had zero problems (except for ammo related) in 2k plus rounds of use with a suppressor.
I've got a Walther .22 that has about 2,000 rounds through it. Most of those with a suppresor screwed on. It has been fine.
I've sold quite a few of them. The combination of price and size helps it. I have not have any of those come back with any problems yet. And believe me, when a gun gets buggy, the first person that hears about it is the guy you bought it from.
So far so good.
In that same time frame, we've had one buggy Sig Mosquito.
I've sold quite a few of them. The combination of price and size helps it. I have not have any of those come back with any problems yet. And believe me, when a gun gets buggy, the first person that hears about it is the guy you bought it from.
So far so good.
In that same time frame, we've had one buggy Sig Mosquito.
atblis
Member
Yep
Actually, I don't particularly care for the Buckmark, but the ones I've shot have been accurate and reliable with decent triggers.
Also, I have pretty high standards for accuracy. My Kadet is a 1.5" 10 shot group pistol at 25 yards with iron sights. I suspect with optics I could do a touch better. The used Ruger MKII slab side I picked up a couple months ago puts in sub 1" 10 shot groups at 25 yards with a red dot. My experiences with the P22 have been at best 6" groups at 25 yards.
At $250 the P22 is overpriced. $150, and I probably wouldn't bash it so much.
Exactly, I do tend to like accurate, reliable, and durable firearms. The P22 is none of those things, thus I do not like them.
Actually, I don't particularly care for the Buckmark, but the ones I've shot have been accurate and reliable with decent triggers.
Also, I have pretty high standards for accuracy. My Kadet is a 1.5" 10 shot group pistol at 25 yards with iron sights. I suspect with optics I could do a touch better. The used Ruger MKII slab side I picked up a couple months ago puts in sub 1" 10 shot groups at 25 yards with a red dot. My experiences with the P22 have been at best 6" groups at 25 yards.
At $250 the P22 is overpriced. $150, and I probably wouldn't bash it so much.
scurtis_34471
Member
Here are the things I like about the P22:
1. It looks, feels and shoots more like a defensive handgun than a target gun.
2. Its accurate enough for defensive shooting practice and general plinking.
3. The ergonomics are excellent. It one of the most comfortable guns I own.
4. The small grip makes it ideal for teaching children.
5. The light weight reduces fatigue during a particularly long range trip.
6. Its very easy to field strip and clean.
7. Its very reliable if you keep it clean and feed it decent ammo.
8. Its easy to suppress, because the barrel is already threaded.
Here are the things I don't like:
1. Its less accurate than the Ruger or the Buckmark.
2. It tends to be finicky about ammo, especially early on.
3. It does not run well dirty and starts to gunk up after 400 round of bulk ammo.
1. It looks, feels and shoots more like a defensive handgun than a target gun.
2. Its accurate enough for defensive shooting practice and general plinking.
3. The ergonomics are excellent. It one of the most comfortable guns I own.
4. The small grip makes it ideal for teaching children.
5. The light weight reduces fatigue during a particularly long range trip.
6. Its very easy to field strip and clean.
7. Its very reliable if you keep it clean and feed it decent ammo.
8. Its easy to suppress, because the barrel is already threaded.
Here are the things I don't like:
1. Its less accurate than the Ruger or the Buckmark.
2. It tends to be finicky about ammo, especially early on.
3. It does not run well dirty and starts to gunk up after 400 round of bulk ammo.
- Status