Wanna buy my first AR

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I know its a little soon but at the beginning of the year I wanna purchase my first AR platform rifle and had some ideas in mind, I want the collasible stock, quad picatinny rail for the forearm. my main purpose for this rifle is target practice, and SD. also wanna put a bunch of tacti-cool stuff on it like a red dot, laser, light, etc. but don't wanna spend a fortune so whats the most bang for my buck.
 
well can't actually join a range where i'm at but i do give the varmints a run for their money around the farm

Building my weapons and giving them my own personal touch is big hobby of mine.
 
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First off asking this question on THR will certainly bring out the hatters. Heres my most recent build in the pic I added. Heres the parts list. Just so you know after I post this people will downgrade my component choices to no end. But let me tell you. It works, didn't cost an arm and a leg, and is solid.

Lower is a standard RRA with factory trigger, and 6 pos. stock for $300 new. The Upper is an Aero flattop with a Bushmaster H bar 16" barrel and fixed front sight. Bought used in great shape for $300. Added accessories: UTG quad rail forearm $50, people will tell you this is junk crap. Its solid and works great, just a little heavy. Pro Mag forward grip $15 at gun show. Special Ops M.A.M.B.A. 3 point sling (converted to 2 point) $40. Mako Picatinny sling mount $30. Bushmaster A2 style rear iron sight, came with upper. Houge grip $20. Lastly a Hakko "Panorama" 4 retical red dot (not a cheap airsoft sight like everyone is going to say). Bought off THR for $75 (reg price $199) There you have it. My complete rifle costing me $830.00. It is accurate and has stood the test of 300rounds and still going strong.
 

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The tactical stuff is great till you put a bit of use on the gun and realize that they are way cooler (useful) in video games than in real life. Spend what money you have on getting a quality weapon and a good optic if you so choose, and you will most likely be having too much fun to want cheap made in china accessories.
 
Told yah.......Thats why I have one standard carbine, and the one in my pic with so called "cheap made in china accessories." Yes they are inexpensive but work fine. Hanzo581-Nice choice
 
The tacticool stuff is great if you actually need it -- but otherwise I have to agree with what the other posters have already said. Skip the money you'd put into stuff that's just going to be decoration and use that to get a better quality rifle and a better quality optic. That, plus a good sling and (depending on your requirements) maybe a decent gun light pretty much is all you need for a good all-around, 24 hour a day, civilian carbine.
 
What you get for a first AR depends on what you want to do with it. Generally, some flavor of 16" build is the best all around rifle.

This is my most recent build.

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Nothing tacticool about it. I only put what I needed on it. I built it to have the capabilities of a precision rig, but it weighs just under 10lbs as you see it. If you pull the scope and bipod, it loses three pounds. With this rig, I can do the types of shooting that require very good accuracy and if I want, I can pull the scope, stick an Aimpoint on top of it and it turns into a handle little carbine.

In the pic, the stock is fully extended. For reference, those are 18" tiles.
 
I suggest buying Patrick Sweeney's book "Gunsmithing the AR" and reading it front to back and back to front. It tells you everything you need to know about building, accessorizing, painting, maintaining....well it tells you everything about an AR.

Buy a flattop in your price range, I am personally a RRA fan, have been since I used to shoot a friends crappy, short cycling, 18 MOA, POS AR and then when I shot another friends RRA AR I knew what I wanted.

There are "better" brands ..for more money RRA is the cheapest that I would buy complete. I have owned Del-ton, Stag, Colt, LWRC, and KNigts Armament AR's in 5.56 Nato chamberings...all functioned just as well, but no better than RRA, for generally more money.

I suggest buying a complete AR (matching upper and lower) for your first AR. This should cost no more than 1200 and thats to me a high high figure.

It should be at least a carbine length gas system with a heavy or bull 1/9 twist barrel in 5.56 nato chambering, hardware will most likely be black on it. The 1/9 twist allows for bullets weights all the way up to 68 grains, only the heaviest bullets (75 up) are not accurate. Most ammo I have found for 5.56/223 is 55 grain FMJ ball ammo.

a good laser/light combo EMAtactical.com has the TLL plus they have alot of other cool toys at good prices. the TLL is my preference runs about 89 bucks at gunshops around here. Works everybit as well as 400 plus dollar "mil-spec" combo's from Surefire and Veridian.

Rail covers , I would go with magpul, have really easy on/off stuff at very affordable prices. Multiple colors, while there check out stocks and pistol grips to match (or mix)

for sights look at BSA and NcStar, not top of the line, but top of the line for the bottom dollar in my experiance. They have between them an immense selection. I don't care for thier laser sights, but ..you might.

Pmags ...go to cheaperthandirt.com ...get them cheaper than dirt.

Hit gunshows find the stuff you want and write it down if you can't afford it then.

Recent build I did for a friend, I have two AR's that are near carbon copies of this, and lot of shooter friends in the area enjoy my set-up. Several clones of this rifle in the winnie, texas area, most I assembled. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery lol.

http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx355/IR0479/GunsandGators361.jpg

It started out as this

http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=398

I bought it cheaper, at the tune of 800 dollars at a gunshow, i then added.

NCstar sniper scope with Illuminated Mildot recticle and 55 grain range turrent adjustment, 99$ at Gunshow

Magpul rail gaurds 32$ from Magpul (8 a pack 4 packs total for carbine length rail)

EMatactical TLL (Class 3 red laser and 150 lumen light with QD mount) 89 dollars at gunshow ( laser is nice, light is musthave for my night hunting)

Knock-off Grip pod (75$) Reg gripod runs 200 at gunshows, only difference IMHO is quality of mounting hardware, I bought the cheap one and hit a hardware store for some true steel bolts.

YHM quad rail $150 at gunshow, and though I could mount it myself, mounting was free from vendor

YHM low pro gas block $35 (mounted myself)

YHM picatinny sling mount $24 (mounted myself)

Troy COB Single or 2 point sling $49

5 p mags $70 (S&H included) at Cheaperthandirt

thats $1483 tied up in one rifle, assembled over a years time, and truthfully I could have purchased some parts cheaper. It is a hog stopping, yote slaughtering machine. It is a "work" rifle, I carry it 4 hours a night minimum when I am working within an hours drive of home. No tacticool accessory on it is useless for what I do with it, and none are so expensive that if that part did "epic-fail" while wadeing though mud, trees and 6 foot high grass I wouldn't be able to replace it with a fraction of my next check.

Next move for me is to take them (I have 2 just alike) and duracoat paint job all the metal except the rails, been saying I am going to do this for years though...too busy shooting them to coat them.

When I do carbine classes I use a BSA reddot sight (89$) and YHM BUIS's ( http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR5040-7.html ) I have never busted out of a course because my rifle went down, or missed a shot because of my equipment failing. Its an AR, its your rifle, do what you want with it.
 
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The problem with aluminum quad rails is that they get quite hot if your going to be shooting a lot, I also find the vertical grips to just get in the way at the range, unless you kick down doors for a living they don't offer much.


I'd buy a Colt, throw a good sight on it if you want, maybe an Aimpoint CompM4, and a light if you want some tacticool stuff.

Tacticool stuff aids weight, IMHO a 12 pound AR is kind of silly, might as well carry an M14 or FAL at that point.
 
Hey Molle,

I have a quad-rail and it gets a little heavy, but as for people calling it tacicool, well, the Streamlight serves me well when hunting at night, my back-up sights are just that, and my red dot is great. Don't let them get you down, if it has a use, you're going to use it, and it wasn't made for airsoft, don't worry about these guys. For your pocketbook, I recommend the Vortex Strikefire red dot. I have one on my 5.56 AR and one on my 450 BM. Both work great. I was sad to find out they were made in China, but they do work great and have yet to kill a battery. Collapsible stock? I have a cheap one and will be upgrading ASAP, hope that helps :D. I personally have no use for a laser, but I do know you should buy quality stuff in that aspect. Verticle foregrips are uncomfortable to me and ALL my AR's are free floated FWIW. My buddy has a A2 style and I like it, but I like things not putting pressure on the barrel. 1/9" twist is probably good for 55gr/62gr that is typically found in 223 ammo. Spend money on good stuff is my overall advice. My light was $99 but worth 20 cheap flashlights. Don't skimp, as hard as it is to shell out $$$, it typically is worth it 2x over in the end.
 
I know its a little soon but at the beginning of the year I wanna purchase my first AR platform rifle and had some ideas in mind, I want the collasible stock, quad picatinny rail for the forearm. my main purpose for this rifle is target practice, and SD. also wanna put a bunch of tacti-cool stuff on it like a red dot, laser, light, etc. but don't wanna spend a fortune so whats the most bang for my buck.


I'd swing by your local gun store and order a complete lower assembly of your choice. Buying a complete rifle with the rail combo of your choice is nearly impossible.

LMT, BCM, Stag all sell complete lower assemblies. LMT has complete lowers with the excellent Sopmod stock, and I think the better models have a much needed ambi safety as well.

Then swing by BCM and get the upper assembly and bolt carrier group of your choice. Snap them together and your done. You'll need to research what rails you want. DD lite, and Larue are very lightweight and high quality. High end railed, combat ready, AR's are a very personal setup so make sure you know what you want.

Magpul XTM rail covers rule.

Here's a good place to see all the many railed combos:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-Upper-Receiver-Groups-s/1.htm
I like 14.5" (pinned a2x) or 16" rifles with 12-14" long rails and Troy sights.
 
Cmmg bargin bin $599 hand pick another $25. I have the leapers Bi-pod on all mine (3) but can disconnect and have it off with a twist of a screw. I got the cheapest quad rail set up from CDNN for $39 and they are aluminum but for my kind of shooting (varmints kinda try for the one shot one kill/scare thing) have never had the rails get to hot. Have done a few bump fire (felt like wasting ammo; pray forgive me; at least it was Russian stuff) with 30 round mags but once done have not had the need to improve my technique so heat has really never been a problem for my type of shooting..

For my type of gun care and shooting my Del-Ton and CMMGs have never given me a moments problem. The Bi-Pods smooth out the occasional shakes or paulsey and I would not hesitate having any of my ARs as my only firearm.

All the additions do add weight but for me and again my type of shooting the trade is/was worth it.

I really am a mission dependant kind of shooter though; meaning I would not want my big scoped Ar with me if I am trudging through brush with most targets less than 50 yards nor would I want my Vortec red dot for 300 yard type shooting.

No one gun/set up will cover all occasions or at least not in my experience. A .50cal ain't much good for shooting Doves if all you want is something to eat.

Just comments and ideas.
 
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Well i'm more focused on a good/reliable 16" AR carbine thats somewhat affordable and all the other tacticool stuff will come later. just want to buy it out of the box with a 6 position stock and the quad rail forearm.

Note: i don't order guns off the internet but I was prepared to spend somewhere around $1200-$1400 out of the box.

Theres so many companies out there its gets confusing but i have heard good things about DPMS rifles and they seemed priced alot better, any input?
 
Tacticool, isn't. Yes there are a number of things you want on a rifle to make it more effective in a given role. However there is no reason to hang things off a rifle just because it looks good.

Light, Red Dot or Reflex aiming system, and VFG if that is how you train to shoot. Those get you where you need to be.
 
If I were you, here is what I'd get. 16" mid length. Has your floating rail and adjustable stock. Comes with choice of irons. On sale for $1k (free shipping). Good company, comes with warranty.
 
After taking my time on my most recent build, I realized something. To make a good AR a great one, the best things you can do or buy end up not being noticeable on first glance at all. The LMT parts kit, Geissele trigger, M4 feed ramps, chrome lining, BCM HPT/MPI bolt, BCM FA carrier, and BCM Gunfighter handle are all "under the hood," so to speak.

Best advice (as stated above by others) is:
1) Get quality parts inside
2) Get comfortable furniture outside
3) Get a quality optic
 
Punisher, the fun switch doesn't work....yet. I bought the lower for two reasons. The first was because I thought it looked really cool with that Spider on it. The second is that I have a trust drawn up, but haven't done anything with it. I think it's about time to change that.

I just have that upper on that lower right now, again, for looks. At some point, that rig is likely going to be sporting a Vltor upper and it'll go back on the original lower. The lower than you see is going to be SBRed, assuming that finances are going to cooperate. The most fun I've ever had with an AR was shooting a fully auto, suppressed SBR shooting .22lr. It'll get there.

Getting back to the original post, yes, aluminum handguards do get hot, but they don't get nearly as hot as the barrel does. I like to run long tubes so that I don't burn myself on the barrel. My 14.5" carbine has a rifle length tube on it too. These free float tubes add surprisingly little weight.

If you want a rifle to serve as something that you can use to plink with and serve in a self defense role, this is what I'd get. I'd first get a complete lower assembly from either Bravo Company or Spike's. I mention those two because they offer a good bang for the buck using quality components. Then, I'd get an upper with a no frills chrome lined 14.5" barrel with a pinned flash hider. Or if you prefer, just get a 16" so that you don't need to pin the flash hider. I'd then get MOE handguards and grip. You're set to go. There are rails that you can add to the MOE handguards to accommodate a light, laser, VFG or whatever. If it were me, I'd put all of the lasers and gadgetry aside and take the money you would have spent on that trash and get an Aimpoint ML3. For what you described, that's all the rifle you will need. Maybe the best way to go on the sights will be to start with a set of Troy flip ups. Learn to shoot those (every one should at least know how) then get a good red dot. I run a TA44S ACOG on my carbine that fills the role that you are looking to fill. I like it a LOT, but it's kind of pricey.
 
Well i'm more focused on a good/reliable 16" AR carbine thats somewhat affordable and all the other tacticool stuff will come later. just want to buy it out of the box with a 6 position stock and the quad rail forearm.

Note: i don't order guns off the internet but I was prepared to spend somewhere around $1200-$1400 out of the box.

Theres so many companies out there its gets confusing but i have heard good things about DPMS rifles and they seemed priced alot better, any input?
With that price point you have BCM, LMT, Colt and Daniel Defense. Any of these brands are top tier rifles. They are properly made for hard use with top of the line parts and good quality control.

I also suggest buying smaller quantities of quality gear over the cheap stuff that breaks. On my rifle I have a Troy rail, EOTech sight and a VTAC sling. Still waiting on the stamp for my suppressor. ;)

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That whole tax stamp crap is BS. It should be perfectly legal to own suppressors. Saves your hearing. The quote "Men must be governed by God or they will be ruled by tyrants" comes to mind.
 
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