The two I have were both bought used, one is on an Arentinian Mauser done very well and the other is a 700 ADL with SS Shilen barrel. Both have Timmney triggers and 6X Leupold scopes and will shoot well under MOA. They both cost considerably less than factory and have had some nice work done on them. Both guns together cost less than what some are suggesting for one average off the rack rifle with no glass, I would never be afraid to take a chance on what appears to be a good used gun.