wanting to start loading 9mm...need suggestions.

[45taurus]

I'm going to start reloading 9mm soon for a g19. I'm currently wanting to use
115LRN bullets with titegroup powder, and 124g plated bullets with titegroup powder. I'm wanting to know if any of you reload any of these bullets with titegroup powder and what kind of load i need to get some good accuracy out of them. Also should i use the reccomened OAL or by going a little longer, would it help accuracy even more?

 

[Starter52]

Welcome to THR, 45taurus.

I load 9mm with Red Dot, so I don't have a Titegroup recommendation.

You should load to the recommended OAL. Slightly longer won't help 9mm accuracy in the real world, and too long will stick in the magazine.

 

[45taurus]

Thanks, so far i like it here! Yeah i'm really wanting to use titegroup since thats what i have on hand. I also have some W231 but i like to save that for my .45 loads. The reason i ask about that longer OAL is that it seems to help with accuracy in .45ACP. Maybe its just me "thinking" it does but idk for sure.

 

[steve4102]

TG burns hot and some lead and coated bullet manufactures recommend against it because it burns so hot. Others like it.

 

[45taurus]

so your saying W231 would be a better option? I havn't heard of bullet manufactures not recommending using TG. Do you have a link?

 

[RustyFN]

I load both 115 and 124 grain jacketed and plated bullets with 4.2 grains of Titegroup. That seems to be the best load I have found for TG in 9mm.

 

[rfwobbly]

Mr Taurus -
Welcome to THR and Reloading!!

IMHO TiteGroup is not a good powder for a novice to start with. In 9mm, the entire load range is only 0.4gr wide which means you had better have one hullava accurate powder scale and a way to meter powder to within a knat's freckle. Plenty of people use TG, yes. But plenty of people have been reloading long enough to own top-of-the-line loading equipment, and know how to use it.

To me it's simply a matter of safety. When you start out, your measurements are going to be all over the place, so use a powder (such as W231, aka HP-38) which will allow for that. In other words, learn to walk before you try running.

The first thing for you to do is buy a reputable reloading manual (such as the Lyman #49), read it, and use the loading information in there. Go directly by their recipes and you'll be safe. Your Taurus will shoot anything they've published just fine. Longer OALs may hurt accuracy. Later on you can experiment with your OAL and find out what your gun likes best, but for now take those "baby steps".

In 500 rounds, when you've got your machine tightened up, your process defined, and your safety standards in place..... then you can try some TG and other OALs.

All the best.

 

[Sin City Shootist]

I asked almost the same exact question the other day. Maybe you can use some of the info in it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=573649

 

[gamestalker]

Welcome to THR. These guys on this site are awesome and will steer you in the right direction! FYI, never be afraid to ask a question, in this place as here there is no such thing as the stupid question.

 

[RustyFN]

IMHO TiteGroup is not a good powder for a novice to start with. In 9mm, the entire load range is only 0.4gr wide which means you had better have one hullava accurate powder scale and a way to meter powder to within a knat's freckle.

To me it's simply a matter of safety. When you start out, your measurements are going to be all over the place, so use a powder (such as W231, aka HP-38) which will allow for that.

RF I agree with you 100% about safety but am having trouble seeing where 231 is any safer than TG. On Hodgdon's site TG is 4.5 to 4.8 and 231 is 4.7 to 5.1.

115 GR. SPR GDHP Winchester 231 .355" 1.125" 4.7 1075 25,300 CUP 5.1 1167 28,100 CUP
115 GR. SPR GDHP Hodgdon Titegroup .355" 1.125" 4.5 1135 29,500 CUP 4.8 1158 30,500 CUP

125 GR. SIE FMJ Hodgdon HP-38 .355" 1.090" 4.4 1009 24,600 CUP 4.8 1088 28,800 CUP
125 GR. SIE FMJ Hodgdon Titegroup .355" 1.090" 4.1 1069 27,300 CUP 4.4 1136 30,600 CUP

 

[Walkalong]

so your saying W231 would be a better option?

I would.

 

[steve4102]

I havn't heard of bullet manufactures not recommending using TG. Do you have a link?

Sure, here's one.
http://www.precisionbullets.com/

 

[45taurus]

ok, i do have about a pound of W231 left, which should be enough to run 1,000 rounds 9mm when i get all set up for it. I am using the Lee Deluxe turret press, which has those powder measure disks. They seem to be accurate?

 

[BeerSleeper]

Are you planning to shoot the 115gr LRN in your G19?

I haven't done it, but there are reportedly issues with leading in factory glock barrels if you shoot lead. I think most of the guys that do it have aftermarket barrels with standard rifling.

 

[BeerSleeper]

also, 231 is great behind 115gn or 124gn 9mm. It's what I use, and a pound will take you farther than just 1000 rounds.

 

[45taurus]

I am planning on shooting the 115 LRN in a different gun and i'm also ordering 125g plated RN for my glock. It says to load the plated RN the same as if it were a LRN. i should have enough 231 left to do 1,000 rounds of 9mm. i've only used the bottle for about 150 rounds for my .45 at 5.3g.

Anyone find a good load for 231 with a 115g LRN or 125g plated RN? i'm going to start at minimum and work up but if you have any suggestions of a "good load" i will pay extra close attention to it when i get there.

 

[45taurus]

also is it best to get the powder to settle as much as possible in the measure b4 i start loading? right now my tumbler sets underneath my table and it vibrates the table when i'm running it and i'm sure it making the powder pack and settle pretty good. Should i move it somewhere else? I dont want it packing it down too much then loosening up later...

 

[BeerSleeper]

weigh your charges, and see how much they vary. My hornady measure with 231 throws on target, +/- 0.1. I don't do anything special to it, it's got the baffle in the bottom of the measure, and when the measure drops to 1/4 full, I fill it back to 3/4 full. After adding powder, I drop about 20 throws and put them back in the hopper before dropping charges in cases.

 

[45taurus]

from what i can tell its measuring +/- .2g. But i'm not so sure about my Lee scale. its real hard to adjust without bumping the scale. For my .45 rounds it works fine, but i know 9mm is touchier and i need to make sure it is being consistant.

 

[45taurus]

My lee disks seems to be throwing .1g short of what it should be. I'm guessing it will depend on the type of powder your using. My Lee disks seem to be pretty accurate. I went ahead and mounted my scale down on a board so it wont move if i bump it and its seems to be weighing much better now.

So does anyone do any 9mm loading with W231 with some 115g and 124g bullets in either LRN or plated RN?

 

[sellersm]

Point your web browser to the Hodgdon loading data site, Hodgdon Load Data

They have listings for Win231 powder for both 115gr and 125gr bullets.

For plated 124gr RN bullets, I start with 4.0gr of Win231 and it's a nice powderpuff load. I'd try some loads starting at 4.0 and work up by .1 or .2 until you're in the middle range of loads. Here's why: plated bullets are to be loaded to mid-range loads, using lead data. Check out the FAQ on Berry's website.

I've been quite pleased with 4.0 up to 4.6gr Win231 behind 124gr plated RN in 9mm. These have been used in my G19 with factory barrel and my M&P 9compact in factory barrel.

I don't load 115gr so I have no experience with loads for those. Go slow and be safe.

 

[45taurus]

ok i've decided to go with W231 and the 124g LRN bullet and the Plated 124g RN bullet. Only problem is that going by the hodgdon load data it doesn't show a load for the plated 124g RN. (i know for plated bullets i need to use the load for lead bullets.) Its only showing a load for the 124g LCN. Since its a "cone" nose and not a "round nose" the OAL would be different for the two correct?



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